Senate The 2016 U.S. Presidential Election has begun

I've said this a thousand times, but Biden does not have what it takes to run for the presidency. He tried it twice, and both times were resounding failures. Richard Ben Cramer amply documented it in 1992 with "What It Takes," and we have more recent media for 2008.

Superb vice-president, however.

 

Also, SJ's life-long Republican father would like Biden better because... he's massively to the Right of both President Obama, and moreso Hillary Clinton.

 

P. S. regarding Carter getting out on the campaign trail... Man, I'm not sure that's a good selling point to a lot of people who know the history of politics or governance in the US.

Jimmy Carter is one of the best people to ever be President... But arguably one of the worst at actually being President. He's right up there with John Quincy Adams, a poor President who later became a senator and fought doggedly for abolition in that role. Carter has wonderful strengths as a man, but not great credentials as a President in the estimation of most historians and analysts.

Just my $0.02 on that.

 

Honestly, he doesn't know that much about Biden's policies. He just respects Biden as a human. Especially after that fantastic interview with Stephen Colbert (who is so clearly a Biden supporter himself he barely tries to hide it).


KW, I think this would have been a much different campaign for Biden. Because those other times he hadn't just had the experience of being VP for eight years. But the poor man just can't get a break in terms of personal tragedies in his life.

 

He's almost certainly going to be confined to the South, and talk about spirituality and Hillary's innate goodness vs. Trump's inherent badness; it's what he's best on, talking about decency and good works over hatred and bigotry.

Trump's even still only up 2 in GA of all places...

And he haaaaaaaaaaaaates Donald Trump.

 

Carter was better than some think, and we can think Reagan's people (not just his administration, but after he left office) for tarring Carter, partly to elevate themselves. It caught on among others, and so that's part of why he has the standing he does. If the rescue operation had succeeded in 1980, he may well have been re-elected. His main problem was that he was a micromanager as president, which is something Clinton will have to be careful of if she's in office. He also had a poor relationship with Congress, despite having Democratic majorities (something that Clinton would be unlikely to share as a problem).

 

Day 2 Media Report -

CNN - ''You nominated the real one'"
MSNBC - Hillary makes history, clinches nomination
ABC - Hillary Is 'Best Darn Change-Maker,' Bill Clinton Tells DNC
NBC - Bill Clinton Testifies to 'Real' Hillary's Life of Achievements
CBS - a live video now, but on the right side - Hillary's long march to the Democratic nomination
PBS - How Hillary Clinton emerged more resilient after turbulent White House years
FOX News - BILL MAKES HIS CASE TO DEMS Clinton says his wife is 'best darn change-maker' he's ever known

Washington Post - Clinton captures historic nomination

NY Times - Clinton Gets Nomination in Historic Vote

NY Daily News - 'PATH OUT OF THE DARKNESS': Moms of Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin, other 'Mothers of the Movement' tell DNC, 'Hillary Clinton isn't afraid to say that black lives matter'

LA Times - Bill Clinton offers lavish testimonial for Hillary Clinton after her historic nomination

USA Today - Bill Clinton makes a special case to convention: For his wife

Wall Street Journal - Clinton Is First Woman to Win Major Party Nomination

Chicago Sun Times - Dems nominate Hillary - 'best darn change-maker' Bill ever met

Denver Post -

 

Supposedly, President Clinton's speech was only tangentially related to what was on the teleprompters and he ended up ad-libbing a majority of it. That's... really, really impressive. Wow...

 

Erick Erickson (Red State, conservative blogger) is now tweeting a defense of the Clintons

And maybe it's because I'm re-reading the Harry Potter book series right now, but the way he described young Hillary kept reminding me of Hermione Granger



Here's a picture I'll always find hilarious, of what they once looked like. Damn millennials!

 

Rogue_Ten, see Ghost's post for how you make more terrible pop culture references that, in effect, make us all worse off.

 

I'm absolutely not saying it doesn't count. I'm saying it doesn't have anything to do with a present day agenda, which was otherwise supposed to be important to her 2016 Presidential campaign. Maybe an analogy would help illustrate things.

Female empowerment and gender equality has also been a big part of the Clinton campaign in 2016. What if, in his whole speech, his only present day mention of those aspects was "and to all the women out there concerned about inequality, please remember the terrible suffering of University of Virginia fraternities when they had to face national ridicule for a false rape accusation?"

Do you understand how someone might feel a little bit let down?

 

Eh, he wasn't that popular during his Presidency either. Hence losing pretty big. And you yourself just listed some of the reasons he wasn't effective.

Still, a great guy. And he may well be able to appeal to religious southerners. I can say that the religious aspect is a big reason my parents for instance don't like Trump. Many religious people don't respond well to an uncouth person who's been married three times. And they sure as hell didn't like Trump suggesting we ban people from entry to the US based on their religion. You could see that in the response of people like Lindsay Graham for instance.

 

So, by this measure, Bernie Sanders is the worst-performing candidate of any party for dealing with minority issues -- since he hasn't done anything for civil rights since that one picture of him more than 40 years ago? And he intentionally shipped nuclear waste to poor brown people?

I mean, it's a ridiculous assertion, but perfectly accurate under your guidelines.

 

A couple points:

1. You literally cheered on Elijah Cummings when he gave his "I MET HILLARY CLINTON" speech belittling Bernie Sanders for going to jail as the University of Chicago CORE Preisdent. So yes, this actually is a standard you applied to him before.

2. I expressly said I was not criticizing her past activity, but expressing disappointment in the lack of present day emphasis. They are two separate things.

3. Actually, Bernie's speech last night did talk about fighting for criminal justice reform in the present. He dedicated a whole paragraph to the topic.

 

Not that it's relevant to anything, but how many people realize that Carter was born before MLK? Just goes to show that even now, there are people still around from those years.

 

And Hillary and the DNC had an entire section today with the Mothers of the Movement. I mean, this is chopped liver to you?

(also, it was John Lewis who said this about Sanders, not Cummings. And I believe I was arguing the point that Hillary Clinton had done much more for minorities, and especially African-Americans, over the course of her career because Bernie's been representing a predominantly white state for 30+ years which people said was false because Bernie Sanders was.the true racial messiah...)

 

MLK marched with Bernie

 

As far as I know, dp4m is the only mosaic on these boards

 

I want to hear what the candidate and her closest surrogates intend to do about these issues as a matter of public policy. Is that an unreasonable request now?

I guess African-Americans should just shut up and be happy with whatever we're given.

 

That's moshiach, son!

 

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...ion-has-begun.50011934/page-769#post-53719550

 

Yes. I was mocking Wocky and bad metaphors.

Did you need me to explain satire?