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Hawks and doves/isolationists/pacifists are the two extremes. I don't think simply supporting the FSA more (like we did in Libya) would have been the extreme, hawkish option. That would have been invading and occupying Syria, and making it our responsibility to end all the violence and form a new government.

 

It can get better, it's not for nothing. And sometimes you just have to do the right thing, not the easy thing (that will end up coming back to hurt us).


How do you define "better"? Anyone (particularly with money and power) can say it will get better. Vietnam was getting better for years, until of course it finally became apparent that it wasn't. Iraq was getting better for years, until the same end result came along. It doesn't work, Ghost. No amount of money or involvement can change that. Our generation has the benefit of looking at both Vietnam and Iraq-- we all should absolutely know better than to believe such nonsense.

The "right" thing? Please let me know when your first (or next) Sunday morning show appearance is. Not that there's really any difference between most of the people on there, but then again, that's sort of the point.

 

So Jeb Bush is in, and Romney doesn't like Jeb and might be back in too.





EDIT:
http://news.yahoo.com/sc-gop-senator-thinking-presidential-run-222258551.html

Lindsey Graham is now saying he might be in

 

jesus. lindsay ******* graham.

 

that's it, everybody. i'm running.

 

If Mitt ran again at the very least it would negate the age factor for Hillary. Women live longer then men on average although mormons may live longer than everyone.

 

LINDIBLE GRABIBBLE!!!

 

I held out hope for a good while that Lindsey Graham might be a voice of reason and moderation in the GOP, only to be disappointed again and again. Like John McCain, he simply descended into partisan sniping and hackery. Not giving him another chance.

 

He might be the very definition of partisan at this point.

I feel somewhat sorry for Jeb. He missed his chance, would have been a better POTUS than his brother (low bar I know) and now he should be judged on his own terms but will not escape all the baggae that comes with that name.

 

The potential candidates, as of December 2014...


DEMOCRATS

• Jim Webb (has formed exploratory committee)

Have expressed interest...

• Joe Biden
• Hillary Clinton
• Howard Dean
• Luis Gutierrez
• Joe Manchin
• Martin O'Malley
• Ed Rendell
• Bernie Sanders
• Brian Schweitzer

Also might run...
Tammy Baldwin, Steve Bullock, George Clooney, Andrew Cuomo, Russ Feingold, Al Gore, Maggie Hassan, Amy Klobuchar, William McRaven, Janet Napolitano, Jay Nixon, Antonio Villaraigosa, Mark Warner


REPUBLICANS

• Jeb Bush (has formed exploratory committee)

Have expressed interest...

• Rick Santorum
• Michele Bachmann
• John Bolton
• Ben Carson
• Chris Christie
• Bob Corker
• Ted Cruz
• Bob Ehrlich
• Carly Fiorina
• Jim Gilmore
• Lindsey Graham
• Mike Huckabee
• Bobby Jindal
• Peter King
• George Pataki
• Rand Paul
• Mike Pence
• Rick Perry
• Marco Rubio
• Paul Ryan
• Donald Trump
• Scott Walker

Also might run...
Herman Cain, Mitch Daniels, John Kasich, Susana Martinez, Sarah Palin, Rick Snyder, John Thune, Allen West

 

Might as well toss Warren into the "might run" side of the ledger...

 

http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Cuomo-Christie-veto-bill-to-reform-Port-Authority-5981412.php

both states wanted this bill. and the power hungry governors who want to give back to donors said no. not good for their primaries or chances for president.

 

Looking forward to Clooney/Gore v. Trump/West.

 

since when?

 

Have you seen that list up there?

 

*Obligatory Bernie Sanders is not actually a Democrat post*

 

Warren has said over and over that she's not running, and she's been decisive about it. It's getting late in the invisible primary, and she would have to do a hard turn at this point. Not impossible, but not likely.

 

I'm thinking of voting for Joe Arpaio regardless of whether he runs or not.

 

I figured as much-- you've expressed a lot of support for his views over the years.

 

Dammit, Josh, don't pay attention to me right now.

 

I know I'm about 17 conversations ago, but after the Grand Ayatollah's intervention, things have actually improved. To date, Prime Minister Abadi has been more even-handed than Maliki was. If the country is leaning heavily on Iranian coordination logistics to make their counter-offensive work, at least they've picked someone reliable, and fairly functional. Outside the non-Kurdish Sunni areas, there's been some success in pushing back ISIS. Granted, not as much as we'd like, but let's not discredit the hard-won gains to date.

 

Huckabee now looks like he's about to run, leaving FOX news.

 

Not that there was much chance of it to begin with, but that should ensure that Santorum does not run again.

Walker is the only Republican candidate that concerns me, mostly because he is a deeply sleazy man with the ability to look nice while helping the rich do well at the expense of the poor. Apparently, the Wisconsin legislature, which has a Republican majority, is set to make life difficult for him by going after a number of conservative priorities early on in his second term. He'd rather bypass all that and look moderate for national audiences.