Amph The ALIEN SAGA: review & discussion: Now Disc. Prometheus sneak peak scene

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  1. HylanBoulevard Jedi Youngling

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    Nov 15, 2004
    Here is my review of The ALIEN SAGA.

    ALIEN [1979,original version]
    3 stars,like a theatrical "The OUTER LIMITS" episode.

    ALIENS [1986]
    3 & a half stars,also like a theatrical "The OUTER LIMITS" episode.

    alien 3 [1992]
    1 star,atrocious

    alien resurrection [1997]
    0 stars,feces

    ALIEN:The DIRECTOR's CUT [2003]
    3 & a quarter stars,like a theatrical "The OUTER LIMITS" episode.Deleted scenes being in this version make the whole story more logical & better.

    alien vs predator or avp [2004]
    NO DATA.I did not see avp so I shouldn't arrogantly comment about it.All I can say is that based on the general word on the street which I've heard,avp is not worth the price of admission.All the evidence points to avp being crap.Evidence has to be judged & verified,which is why I can't offer any review until I see it on HBO or SHOWTIME or maybe on DVD.

    What is YOUR opinions regarding The ALIEN SAGA?
  2. Angela_Russell Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Sep 6, 2004
    star 4
    No wonder AvP was crap it was made by Paul Anderson! That man is a cancer to whatever he touches. Most i not all of his films are terrible!

    Ciao!
  3. GreenWrinklyYoda Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Jun 12, 2002
    star 4
    I'd rate them Aliens, Alien, AvP, Alien 3 (this movie irritated me because of its treatment to certain characters that appeared in Aliens), and then Alien: Ressurection. Alien: Ressurection demystified the alien creature even more. Really wasn't a fan of that movie. AvP wasn't all that great, but I don't think that it was meant to be. Aliens will and always be my favorite.
  4. Drac39 Jedi Grand Master

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    Jul 9, 2002
    star 7
    Alien,and Aliens get a 4/4

    Alien 3 gets a 2.5/4

    Alien Ressurection 0/4

    AVP 3/4
  5. Mastadge Manager Emeritus

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    Jun 4, 1999
    star 7
    The first one is a masterpiece of tension. A little slow for my taste, so I don't watch it often, but a great film. 4/4

    Aliens is the greatest sf/action film ever made. The director's cut adds some good stuff, but also some stuff that shouldn't be there. 3.75/4

    Alien3 is weak. The extened cut is an improvement, but choppy. 2.5/4 --> should have been a 4.

    Alien Resurrection is a pretty mediocre comic-book action sort of movie with a truly lousy ending. Until the end, 2.5/4, then it drops to a 1.
  6. Ackbar_The_Great Jedi Youngling

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    Nov 20, 2004
    star 1
    Alien-7/10
    Aliens-8/10
    Alien3-I would have given this a 3/10, but I get this dark, unhappy feeling when watching this so it goes down to 2/10
    Alien Ressurection-I haven't seen it, don't plan to.
    AVP-8/10 I liked AvP, but there was a couple of scenes that make you think "why didn't you do that?" or "you should have done this"
  7. JediTrilobite Jedi Master

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    Nov 17, 1999
    star 7
    Loved Alien. Like Mas said, a masterpiece, expecially in the filmwork and dialog.

    I'm probably one of the few that didn't like Aliens as much as Alien. Haven't seen the other two, but Resurection was done by Joss Whedon, and the script was muitalated from what he wrote.
  8. Beowulf Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 28, 1999
    star 5
    Alien - 9.5 out of 10
    Aliens (Director's Cut) - 12 out of 10
    Aliens (Theatrical) - 9.5 out of 10
    Alien 3 (Director's Cut) - 7 out of 10
    Alien 3 (Theatrical) - 5 out of 10
    Alien Resurrection - 3 out of 10
    AvP - 7 out of 10

    By huge leaps, the first 2 films of this franchise are the absolute best in the sci-horror genre. The others are well, the others. Resurrection was by far the biggest mistake. Never should've been made. Ever
  9. Sniper_Wolf Jedi Master

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    Nov 26, 2002
    star 4
    Just a minor note before I start my review. Alien is the only film in which I will be reviewing the theatrical release. I consider the special editions of Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection to be the canon versions. I also do not include Alien vs. Predator when I'm talking about the film series.

    Sniper Wolf the Warmaster's review of The Alien Legacy

    If you people do not know, The Alien Legacy is by far my favourite film series of all time. These four films. I've watched all of these films many times, and I rate them as so.

    1. Alien
    2. Alien 3
    3. Alien Resurrection
    4. Aliens

    Now the indepth review of Alien.(each movie review will get its own post do to the length of reviews)

    Alien. Released in 1979, Alien sent movie goers screaming out of the theatres. This film was something very different. Coproducer David Giler put it best "Star Wars is the Beatles and we are The Rolling Stones."

    What makes it stands out is what makes it so unique. The used future started in Star Wars is used here to a higher degree. The ship is beat up, and the crew aren't your standard exploers/adventures/etc. They're essentially space truckers. They aren't out in space to boldly go where no man has gone before, or on some damn fool idealistic crusade. They're hauling ore for money and nothing else. This is best shown by Parker who talks about the bonus situation and how he wants to go home and party.

    Now the character that stands out the most is Ripley. Here is a woman who is the third in command of the ship, and can clearly take of herself. Ripley doesn't need any saving, and she proves it. The world of female characters was turned upside down by Ripley surviving and killing the Alien without the help of a male. Ripley is the first female to kill the monster by herself in a monster movie. People who view the four movies indepth can clearly show Ripley is the part of the series that's had the most impact.

    Next is the Alien lifecycle. The lifecycle of the Alien is what easily scares people the most. You start out with an egg, and out comes a facehugger that inpregnates the prey. It doesn't matter if you are male or female. The Alien sees humanity as female, as potential "mothers." The birth itself is probably the most terrifying part of the movie, and the reason it was made. Having a living creature eat it's way out of your chest is shocking. An interesting twist on birth in which the "mother" always dies.

    After Chestburster, you have adult Alien. The Alien was created by H.R. Giger. Director Ridley Scott had Giger base the Alien off the picture "Necronom IV." Now anyone who has seen any of Giger's work knows they are looking at something very disturbing. The shock but yet ellogance of the Alien helps it stand out and above other film monsters. You can't really tell if it's male or female. The fear is highten by the fact you rarely see the Alien in the movie. This of course shows the mind is a lot scarier than what you see.

    Add the used future, strong female character, and unique monster, you get the best monster film of all time.

    I rate this movie 10/10.
  10. rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 31, 2000
    star 7
    I like Alien and Aliens evenly
    Alien 3 is next on the list, haven't seen the director's cut yet, but i heard it's better
    AVP-decent movie, could have been helluva lot better though.
    Alien Resurrection-started off cool and fell and fell apart after the dude from CSI decided for some stupid reason to kill himself instead of shaking his leg until the dead alien fell off. After that it turned into some strange art house film, which doesn't fit in the alien saga at all.

    If they decide to make a fifth film, please have Scott or Cameron direct, or some really good director that won't butcher the series.
  11. Cheri Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    Oct 24, 2000
    star 4
    Alien - 9.9 out of 10
    Aliens (Director's Cut) - 20 out of 10
    Aliens (Theatrical) - 10 out of 10
    Alien 3 (Director's Cut) - Haven't seen it
    Alien 3 (Theatrical) - 3 out of 10
    Alien Resurrection - 6 out of 10
    AvP - 2 out of 10


    If they make a new one, I'd love for Cameron to direct it. However, I heard if they made AvP he would refuse to have anything more to do with the Alien movies. They should have let it be.
  12. Angela_Russell Jedi Youngling

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    Sep 6, 2004
    star 4
    I thought it was stupid that Ripley got her head shaved because it didn't serve any purpose. It just made the guy who directed it look like he has a fetish for bald women.

    Aliens is my favourite with the orignal close behind, but the other 3 are forgetable.

    Ciao!
  13. Darth_Jericho Jedi Youngling

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    Jul 3, 2003
    star 1
    Actually, it did serve a purpose. They had a problem with lice on the prison, thus everyone had their heads shaved, ridding them of the problem.

    Now, Aliens is easily my favorite action/sci-fi movie of all time. I think what Jim Cameron did was great. He made this movie his own; he didn't disrespect or throw out anything Ridley had set-up(think Alien3 and Jurassic Park 3). He added to it by leaps and bounds and gave us an action movie that made a suspense film even better.

    Alien is amazing, but like said above, a little slow for my taste. I love the Director's Cut of Alien3, and can enjoy Resurrection if it's on tv.

    That's all I've got for now, although I'm sure I'll chime in sooner or later.
  14. Nightowl TFN Timetales Writer

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    fell apart after the dude from CSI decided for some stupid reason to kill himself instead of shaking his leg until the dead alien fell off.

    The guy you mention had just had a faceful of alien acid sprayed on him -- it was literally eating through his skull. He was in agony and losing strength -- if he hadn't cut himself loose, the cripple would certainly have died with him. And as you said, the alien was still holding on even after it was dead -- its' claws were probably sunk bone-deep in the guy's leg. It wasn't coming off. Cutting loose was the only thing he could have done.
  15. DarthArsenal6 Jedi Master

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    Oct 16, 2001
    star 5



    Alien Ressurection-I haven't seen it, don't plan to.
    Ackbar_The_Great
    trust me ATG when you see Aleins 4 you'll rate Alien3 6 out of 10 believe me.


  16. GrandAdmiral_Frank Jedi Padawan

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    Aug 26, 2003
    star 4
    ALIEN is a masterpiece and it the life cycle concepts are stunning and brilliant. ALIENS was a worthy follow up and which is why I will only get these two. The other half of the quadrilogy sucks.

    AVP was crap but hopefully I can be satisfied with a sequel if PA dies.
  17. Obi-Wan2001 Jedi Padawan

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    Sep 6, 2001
    star 4
    Yeah, I've only got Alien and Aliens on DVD, and have no desire to have 3 or Resurrection. And I'd say calling Aliens a worthy follow up is a heck of an understatement. Almost unbelievable, how good that sequel turned out. One of the extremely rare films seen in theaters where you can really feel the adrenaline pumping in the audience.
  18. Syntax Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Aug 1, 2001
    star 5
    I've been a huge nut of the Alien flicks for the past 12 years or so. I've got all the movies, all the novelizations (first editions), copies of the scripts, and also all of the spin-off novels, comics, games, and even the toys. One might call me... obsessed. :p

    As for my order of preference, I choose:

    - Alien3 (especially the workprint edition. Calling it a "director's cut" is inaccurate)
    - Aliens
    - AvP
    - Alien Resurrection
    - Alien

    Yes, I like Alien the least. The Director's Cut is an improvement, but I still think it drags, and frankly isn't scary. Even the first time I saw it, I wasn't scared.
  19. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Knight

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    May 2, 2003
    star 6
    Wow. A lot of hostility toward Ressurection in here. While I don't think it's anywhere near as good as the first two, I don't exactly think it's total garbage either. In fact, I'd go so far as to put in front of Alien 3 on my list. I thought it put an interesting, if somewhat corny, spin on the franchise. I liked Sigourney Weaver's performance of a Ripley that isn't quite Ripley, if that makes any sense. Also, I think Ron Perlman does a good job of lightening up the mood of the film.

    Hey, it could have been worse. They could have gone the "Alien 3 was nothing put a hypersleep dream" route. That was actually rumored to be the plot for a while.

    Here's my list:

    Aliens (directors cut)
    Aliens
    Alien
    Alien: Ressurection
    Alien 3 (directors cut)
    Alien 3

    And for the record, in no way, shape or form do I consider the disaster that was AvP to be part of the Alien franchise. Nor do I consider it to be part of the Predator franchise, for that matter. Paul "the Human Sore" W.S. Anderson is on my personal hit list for that travesty.

    Just for disscussion's sake, which route would you guys have gone with for Alien: Ressurection? Would you have gone with the "it was all a dream" scenario, or stuck with the clone thing and just try to make it a better movie in general? Or would you maybe have gone a whole different route? I'm curious.
  20. Sniper_Wolf Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 26, 2002
    star 4
    Has anyone here read Alien Woman: The Making of Lt. Ellen Ripley by Ximena Gallardo C. and C. Jason Smith? It's basically these two people who watched the movies a lot, and analyze the sexual, politcal, and religious meaning in the movies. I loved it, and highly recommend it to fans of the films.

    Shadow, the movie is fine as it is. The SE is better. Only change to the SE I would do is put the original version of the scene of when Purvis is found in the SE instead of the extended version.
  21. Syntax Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Aug 1, 2001
    star 5
    And for the record, in no way, shape or form do I consider the disaster that was AvP to be part of the Alien franchise.

    I liked AvP. A lot.
    FOX considers it part of the franchise, and thus so do I. (canon debates aside :p)

    I also liked Alien Resurrection a lot. There's a pretty substantial gap on my list between A:R and 'Alien'.
  22. Qui-Gon Zero Jedi Padawan

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    Nov 26, 1999
    star 4
    I think Alien Resurrection was one kick ass action piece and a re-written ending away from being a totally decent flick. Aliens 3 and 4 had their moments, it's just that the first two movies were so good that I'd imagine it would be difficult to measure up. I did like the characters of Aliens 4 more than Alien 3, but I think the 3rd one's action was more intense. However, I have always been curious as to why the writers never went with the Alien homeplanet ideas.

    AvP is garbage in my opinion. After watching AvP, I made a promise to myself to never pay to watch another movie that Anderson had anything to do with, even if it involves my beloved Aliens. I really don't want to contribute to the notion that he's a popular or competent filmmaker.
  23. Sniper_Wolf Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 26, 2002
    star 4
    And for the record, in no way, shape or form do I consider the disaster that was AvP to be part of the Alien franchise.

    Haven't seen AVP for two reasons.

    1. No Sigourney.
    2. Anderson directing.
  24. Beowulf Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 28, 1999
    star 5
    PA had a better version of the film, but the GENIUSES at Fox thought otherwise. And BTW, if there is an AvP 2, PA will not be directing. He's publicly stated that. Deal with it.
  25. HylanBoulevard Jedi Youngling

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    Nov 15, 2004
    ^I forget to say this in my thread-initiation post.In my opinion,The ALIEN SAGA is really The ALIEN DUOLOGY.As far as I'm concerned,only ALIEN[both versions] & ALIENS count.The ball was dropped bigtime,& Fonzie's Shark was Jumped over major beginning with alien 3.Such a shame.After ALIENS,the franchise still had great intelligent potential.