The All New United States 2004 National Elections COUNTDOWN!

Lets not forget that President Clinton asked "That depends on what the definition of "is" is."

 

Well at least Bush did not swear on the Bible in court and lie to the world.

 

I second that statement.



At least now, I know my President isn't openly lying to me.

 

Not again.

The "let's blame Clinton for everything because Bush is gold" is tired, worn, and frankly, false. Clinton has his good points and his bad points, but Bush is responsible for this country's leadership now and as such, people need to stop bellyaching that all of america's problems are the dems' fault and Clinton in particular.

Great, so the guy "put his hand on the Bible and lied to the world". I can tell you straight off that of the six billion people that inhabit this world, only about 1.4 billion of them give a hoot about said Bible. Let's remember that Clinton was compelled by a GOP-led witch hunt in congress to either willfully make a decision that could very well have destroyed his marriage, or lie about it. Whatever you feel about whether or not it was already destroyed, it was not up to a group of partisan-minded politicians to make that decision for him. You can bet your fanny that if Clinton had been GOP, they would have quietly buried his sordid little affairs. I mean, they certainly did a good job with Bush's prior DUIs, did they not? Or is that ok, since Bush is a republican?

The worst part is, this nonsense occupied the business of the legislature for months. Does anybody else find absolutely absurd the passion with which some members of the House and Senate went just to make an opposition-party president fail? DNA-testing the stain on a dress? For lying under oath about cheating on his wife? Morally wrong, yes. Was it a crime on par with murder? No, it was not-and it did not deserve the level of attention that it got.

The thing that really clinches it for me is the hypocrisy of some of the people involved:

1) Newt Gingrich-the first speaker in history to be censured. Illegally used tax-exempt funds for political means. I might be wrong on this one, but I think that is a lot closer to "high crimes and misdemeanors" than lying about a little "hanky-panky".

2) Henry Hyde-an admitted adulterer; when challenged on this fact during the Lewinsky scandal, he dismissed his actions as "youthful indiscretions". Incidentally, he was about the same age that Clinton was during office when his problems occured. But for some reason, that was ok .

3) Kenneth Starr-should be jailed, as far as I am concerned. This man ruined many lives, threatened many others, and abused his authority all under the guise of finding out whether or not Clinton had kept his zipper up. Threatened a lower-ranking administration employee with prison, IRS audit, and loss of her children if she didn't turn over confidential documents on the then-president. Disgusting. Again, all over a little foreplay in the Oval Office. Wrong, yes. Do two or more wrongs make a right? I would vote no.

Was this a worthy use of my tax dollars?

NO.

So let's stop beating the Clinton dead horse. It's Bush's watch now. It's up to him and the GOP to fix the economy, to protect us from terrorism, to defend the constitution (John Ashcroft wanted to suspend habeas corpus indefinitely following 9/11), and to make our lives better.

On several of those counts, I'm still waiting.

I'm not holding my breath-and I vote.

Peace,

V-03

 

Yeah really, you guys had 8 years to bash and hate on Clinton for little to no reason, it's our turn to rag on the President now!

 

Well, I have not updated my Election year picks. I am avoiding discussion on the Governor races, since I don't truely understand the dynamics of many of the states or who is up and such.

Candidates for the office of PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

George W Bush, Incumbent

Senator John F Kerry

Senator Joeseph Lieberman

Senator Bob Graham

Senator John Edwards

former Vermont Governor Howard Dean

Rep. Richard Gephardt

Rep Dennis Kucinich

former US Senator Carol Mosely-Braun

Reverand Al Sharpton

PRIMARY'S- Right now, as far as money went, it was John Edwards leading the pack in fundraising, but he did not beat John Kerry by much and they said over 80% of his donors were Trial Lawyers....I relish the idea of a Trial Lawyer running...hehehehe. I still think it is Kerry's nomination to win though.

GENERAL ELECTION: I currently got President George W Bush winning at least 45 States in his election landslide to go with at least 52% of the popular vote.


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US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES]



***All 438 US House Seats will be up for Re-Election/Election in November 2nd, 2002. Vacancies could occur between now and then, for example, if a person dies while in office, steps down to run for a different office, and such. There could be more re-districting in several states.

So far no major scandals and no retirement, meaning this will still be the regular 40 or so House seats that are competitive up for grabs. I got the GOP picking up at least 4 seats.



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United States Senators up for Re-Election in 2004

Senators whose Terms of Service Expire in 2005
DEMOCRATS

***Bayh, Evan Indianna- I got Sen Bayh as a LOCK to win

***Boxer, Barbara-CA. I try to believe that Good will always eventually triumph over evil and as such, have to believe that Boxer cannot win a third term, but it won't be easy, I grant that. She is still Favored to win, but I am hoping a good candidate will knock this down to a Toss Up

***Breaux, John-LA. THere was a rumor that Breaux would run for Governor this year in LA, which is up in 2003. If he does so, he would then get to select his replacement to fill out his term untill the election in 2004. If he does not run for GOvernor and does run again for Senate, then he is a LOCK

***Dodd,Christophter-CT Based on what I know of this guy and what I know of CT politics, I have to say he is Favored to win.

***Daschle, Tom-SD- Current polls have him in a dead heat with former rep John Thune. Add to it that momentum that Bush, who carried this state by 20 points in 2000, and I believe Senator Dachle's days are over. Vulnerable

***Dorgan,BYron-ND . Don't know anything about him, will give him FAVORED as a benefit of the doubt.

***Edwards,John-NC Is going to have to run FAR to the left in order to compete with the pack of Democrat Presidential nominees. The GUn INdustry Lawsuit preemption bill may well decide whether he even wins the Democrat primary for Re-Election, as I believe former Clinton Chief of Staff ERskine Bowles has indicated he will challenge Edwards in the Primary. Even if Edwards is blown away in NewHampshire and South Carolina primary's, he will have only a month to move back to the center to win his primary. I got him as Vulnerable in his state primary, and a TossUp in the General Election in November.

***Feingold,Russel-WI Lock for re-election

***Graham,Bob-FL Wasn't he running for President? If so, I put him as a Toss Up, Favored if he does not.

***Hollings,Ernest-SC Indicated he would by summer determine if he will win again. If he runs, I would say he is Favored but not by much. If he does not run, this becomes a OPEN seat that almost certainly favors the GOP.

***Inyonee,Daniel-HA Lock for R

 

I dont' believe in moral absolutes, but just so you know, if I did, I and most people I know, even Republicans and conservatives, consider the right and the conservative ideology to be the EVIL one, the GREEDY one, and the SELFISH one.

I find it hilarious that you see the democrats as evil in your easy to define black and white world, when all my life even my conservative friends who make no bones and are totally proud conservatives acknowledge their party as the more EVIL party, the every man for himself sort of party.

I mean, the liberals are all about peace and love and the betterment of all mankind, how can that be the EVIL side?

 

Evil! Hah

 

I dont' believe in moral absolutes, but just so you know, if I did, I and most people I know, even Republicans and conservatives, consider the right and the conservative ideology to be the EVIL one, the GREEDY one, and the SELFISH one.

Even Republicans consider themselves EVIL, GREEDY, and SELFISH? Damn, that's a lock. Ya got us, McC.

 

I consider Liberalism, which in turn spouts communism and socialism, to be the greatest threat to human freedom there is, and based on that, in my world of moral absolutes, makes them firm followers of the dark side of the force.

That is just my belief and opinion, what I think and feel and as such is not subject to anyone elses interpretation.

 

Great post, TripleB!

Obviously, I don't agree with a lot of your interpretations, but very informative.

Incidentally, I think Daschle is not going to lose his seat. He's very popular at home, and if someone who isn't afraid to speak out (like Kerry) gets the nomination, it might just embolden the democrats and help them get their act together.

Going by your own predictions, you'd better hope "Team Clinton" fails, because if not, it could be 8 years of Hillary (shudders at the thought).

Peace,

V-03

 

Well, I personally think Dachle is gone, but we won't know for sure untill NOvember 2004 anyway, will we? As it stands, though, I think my Team Clinton Conspiracy may come true, and that might mean the GOP gets 5 or more seats.

 

The Daschle/Thune race could be the one to watch simply because it might be a great indicator of whether Bush is going to have coattails in this election.

As has been posted before, Bush took South Dakota big time in 2000 and in '02 the Thune/Johnson race went down to the wire.


As far as Guiliani is concerned, some people I've talked to hope that he waits until '06 to run so that he would run against Sen. Clinton (theorizing that a hypothetical defeat for Sen. Clinton in a senate race would effectively eliminate her from ever running for president). Personally I think he's got to run now rather than later while he still enjoys remarkable popularity and name recognition in NYC.

 

For those of you making fun of GWB's plain-spokeness, I would ask you this question:

Would your rather an honest plain speaker or an eloquent liar?

It's really very tired the GWB speech jokes - the man even makes fun of his own speaking ability even himself at his own expense. It's actually quite funny when he makes fun of himself about it.

Just imagine the chagrin of libs everywhere if GWB not only retains the White House in '04, but the GOP picks up seats in the US Senate.

 

DM- Its going to happen and I think they are already aware of it.

I was thinking the same thinga bout Rudy taking out Hillary in 2006, which brings a smile to my face.

Does George Pataki face terms limits in 2006? if he does, then I assume that if Rudy is going after her seat, that HIllary in all likelyhood would challenge Pataki for Governor ship. She would do so to avoid losing to Rudy, and a governor ship is a better place to launch a presidential campaign from.

 

Hillary Clinton will never be in the White House as President.

You can mark my words on that.

 

DM< I was refering to the fact that GWB will help the GOP expand their hold in the House and Senate in 2004. At least 4 House seats and at least 4 Senate seats, and I even see the possibility of getting more in the Senate, too.

 

TripleB, by that rationale, conservatives are on the same end of the political spectrum as fascism and totalitarianism, which are far far worse than communism or socialism. Conservative ideology is EVIL and SELFISH, you'll never convince me otherwise!!!


Heck, socialism isn't really that bad, I mean, we have socialized systems here in America and we have captilized systems, all of our European cousins have socialized elements of their country, and you love America right? Don't go blow this out of proportion, I am not advocating a socialist government, just trying to crack through your naive world view and show you that not all socialism is bad, that we even employ it in the U.S.

 

Conservative ideology is EVIL and SELFISH, you'll never convince me otherwise!!!

Do you guys remember the days when 'liberal' meant 'free thinker'? Ya ... those good old days

 

That's the point starfire, I was being facetious.

 

Hillary Clinton will never be in the White House as President.

You can mark my words on that.

DM speaks the truth.



The dems would be dumb as hell to run her. I'm a dem, and I wouldn't vote for her, not after the way she treated the AMA back in '92.

The first woman president is going to be a conservative republican from the south. That's pretty much guaranteed.

I give the next election to Bush, but I expect a tough fight for him unless there is a strong economic turnaround between now and then. While I believe the economy will begin to recover soon, most indicators show that unemployment will not really begin to turn around until at least 2004, and that's a major factor.

It will be interesting. I expect the dems to fight tooth and nail.

Peace,

V-03

 

The Presidency is a lock. Bush will win his second term because he's proven he has a backbone, and Americans usually like that.

 

Obi-wan said

TripleB, by that rationale, conservatives are on the same end of the political spectrum as fascism and totalitarianism, which are far far worse than communism or socialism. Conservative ideology is EVIL and SELFISH, you'll never convince me otherwise!!!

Well, if I can't convince you otherwise, then that is just fine. I won't deny that under the Conservitive mantle, you will never achieve utopia short of accendency into Heaven, which is what I believe is what makes humanity what it is.

I won't deny that under the Liberal mantle, an utopia of intolerance and virtual dicatorship can be achieved, but it would be a world devoid of freedom of thought or speech against the government and such. When it comes down to it, COnservitism keeps us American...liberalism threatens all human freedom.

I actually considered opening a THE WAR ON LIBERALISM thread, but I KNOWthat would never go over with the mods.....

 

The Presidency is a lock. Bush will win his second term because he's proven he has a backbone, and Americans usually like that.

Americans also like a strong economy and financial success, not to mention jobs. Bush Sr. proved his backbone, and he still lost re-election.

Nothing is a lock this far out. In my many readings, I have noticed that republican planners are taking nothing for granting, including the president's current popularity, which is why I believe they will run a smart enough campaign to get him re-elected.

Bush Sr.'s domestic platform just fell to the wayside. The dems need to find a strong message and not just criticize. Without that, they will go nowhere.

I do however, expect just that to happen. It will be a tough fight, but I give it to Bush, unless a lot changes..

Peace,

V-03

 

Actual, liberal Utopia is one where tolerance is a mantra and free thought, discussion, and debate are the daily joys of living.

I mean, a liberal utopia is a place where someone does not fear war, hunger, or famine, it is a place where people go to learn and study and be free to explore themselves and express themselves in creative manners.

Conservative ideology is the one that purports to take away our freedoms due to acts like the Patriot Act, believing that our problems can only be solved by pre-emptive wars and leading us down a path of neverending cyclical war, and conservative ideology is the one that QUASHES free speech and discussion by labeling anyone who disagrees with the central dictat-ahh government as a communist dog, or an anti-american, or whatever witch-hunt name they use to scare the population into submission.
Ok, so this isn't the whole truth, but like I said about being facitous, if you want to spout lies about liberal thought I have some more convincing half-truths about conservatives thought.

I'm afraid you have a very warped view of liberal, I mean, look at college, college is a microcosm of liberal utopia. I think the military is probably the best thing you can come to getting a conservative utopia.