Amph Spider-Man & SSU Films (Madame Web, Venom 3, Kraven, Beyond the Spider-Verse)

The Big Wheel!

 

only if Rocket Racer is in it

 

How did Vulture kill Spider-Man 4?

It was Spider-Man 3 and the director and main actors not coming back that did that.

And what about TV that would stop the Kingpin from appearing?

 

Wasn't Malkovich going to be Vulture at one point?

 

Yes, the character was not the problem. Sony and Marvel wanting flashbacks to Peter Parker in high school is what killed it.

 

Yes. And supposedly Sony was not all that excited at the prospect of Vulture as the main villain.

 

But Marvel has creative control now, so whether Raimi's wanting to do the Vulture "killed the film" or not, it's no longer up to Sony to decide.

 

I certainly hope so.

 

Spider-Slayers. Could tie it into MCU tech-based baddies for a villain that could be visually interesting and provide boom however not overpower the narrative of the introductory film which, as established, is a high school drama. Bring out the big guns for the 2nd flick.

Yes, there should be Osborns and Goblins and so forth - it's a core part of Spidey's baddie roster and you can't just not do it - but hold back until the third flick for that business. But that should be a thing, eventually.

I honesty I want to see Norman introduced early on and spin him off into an adaptation of Ellis' "Thunderbolts" run for Phase 4 but that's a little far seeing. And Kingpin from Daredevil could be the easiest TV baddie to be a Spidey antagonist and not really muck with their separate movies / shows.

 

I think Hobgoblin deserves a turn in the spotlight, actually. He was pretty cool in the cartoon. The way he played all the criminal organisations against each other and upset the order was fun to watch. He turned out to be kind of pathetic, but then again all villains are in their own way. He was a smug jerk, which makes for a very entertaining kind of villain on screen, if done right.

 

That's actually where I was thinking. If Feige isn't willing to use Kingpin, use Osborn as the man behind the scenes and have Hobgoblin as the big bad. But I think after 2 goblins in so many years, that we're likely looking at Mysterio or Kraven.

 

the Hobgoblin (the original ) is my favorite Spidey villain, but i don't know how you do him before Norman properly.

 

I imagine people are burnt out by the Goblin.

 

yeah i was hoping when ASM came out in 2012 they'd wait until at least the 3rd one, but they rushed a goblin the last 20 minutes of 2. As great as the goblin's are, they aren't they be all end all of the Spidey-verse.

 

The Goblins are just the villains most personally connected to Spider-Man, with Norman killing Gwen and Harry being his best friend.

The only other villains with a personal connection to Spider-Man are the Lizard, the Jackal, and of course the Burglar. Perhaps Venom simply because the symbiote tells Brock all of Peter's personal information.

 

The Hobgoblin hasn't had contact with the performance enhancing (crazy) gas in the comics, has he? Because that's why I would prefer him. I'm tired of the crazy gas. In the 90s cartoon, he was the precursor to the Green Goblin. When Norman is affected by the gas, he takes the Hobgoblin's gear.

 

That and Eddie blaming Peter for making him look bad with the Sin Eater being revealed as Stan Carter and not Emil Gregg.

That was that cartoon. In the comics it was different. Roderick Kingsley was the first Hobgoblin and he didn't find the Goblin formula until after he had been the Hobgoblin for a while. When he learned the Goblin formula causes insanity, he had a criminal that was in his employ named Lefty Donovan test it out and he became insane. Then Roderick used Dr. Jonas Harrow's mind control machine to use Donovan as the Hobgoblin and set him up to die, in order to give himself time to figure out how to perfect the formula so it wouldn't cause insanity. Once that was done, he was able to use it against Peter effectively. When Jason Philip Macendale took over, he attempted to get the formula from Harry, but Harry and Peter wound up fighting him and preventing him from getting it. Macendale then made a deal with the demon N'astirh who turned Macendale into a demon. Eventually the demon separated from Macendale and became the Demogoblin, while Macendale continued in his old self until he met the Grim Hunter, Kraven's son Vladimir, who gave him access to the Kravinoff strength enhancing formula which he used to take on both the Demogoblin and Spider-Man. As well as Kaine and the Scarlet Spider. But then he had cybernetic implants added by Gaunt under the direction of Norman Osborne during "Blood Brothers", but he still wasn't able to gain a true victory. Then Roderick decided to kill him before he could testify about how he became the Hobgoblin during "Hobgoblin Lives" and came out of retirement.

 

Spoiler

Comics.

 

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funny thing the whole notion that Osborn had super strength didn't start until Hobgoblin. in the old comics Spidey knocked him flat whenever he got his hands on him. the 'goblin formula' was mostly just a concoction that exploded in his face and made him crazy.

 

Hell the Golbin formula freakin' brought Norman back from the dead after decades just because they needed an ending to "Clone Saga". But I thought it worked.

 

yeah they had to come up with someone big enough to end that awful thing , but that's when it completely jumped the shark for me

 

That's because in 1987, there was a plan to kill off the Hobgoblin to end that storyline. Hence Kingsley retired and framed Ned Leeds, while Macendale took over. When the Hobgoblin's co-creator was tapped to bring back the original and reveal his identity, he was told that Macendale could be killed off.

Actually, it was supposed to be Harry who was brought back. But it was decided by Bob Harras to make it Norman.

 

yeah i read a looooong article about it a few years ago.

all this started when they killed Gwen....then they had to kill Osborn. Then they brought her back cause the fans were unhappy, then the fans rightly said no you can't just bring her back so she was a clone and just sent her away in a taxi. Then for a while she wasn't a clone

and they just couldn't leave it there. on and on and on.

the only decent thing that happened in the 90's imo was Roger Stern came back and did a real end to the real Hobgoblin. why they would have killed him off and replace him with a fool character i'll never understand.

 

What about Doc Ock? He almost married Aunt May!

 

Doctor Octopus probably fought Spidey more than anyone.