Amph The Amazing Spider-Man (and Spin-offs)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Spiderfan, May 20, 2008.

  1. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    Not sure if it would be the same 6 as in the comics, would Scorpion or Vulture really work in a movie? Would Mysterio even work?
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    Could work, if done right
  3. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    Maybe, but some might need a redesign like Electro is getting.
    I never much rated Sandman, he looked good in SM3 but in the great spectrum of Spidey villains he seems pretty meh to me

    With all the rumours of Venom appearing and maybe Black Cat or Menace maybe a new line-up will happen. Plenty of baddies to use though.
  4. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Vulture would need a major redesign to not look ridiculous. Scorpion could work pretty much as-is as a mech suit/exoskeleton (though if they consider redoing Doc Ock, there would probably be redundancy there). Mysterio could certainly work- though i'd imagine they'd work in some kind of effect into his dome to make it more "projector"-like.
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    Vulture should be fine... and Scorpion is no more ridiculous than Spider-Man or Doc Ock... they'd just need to do a redesign of Mysterio (maybe have him only appear as a hologram/robot, and just be a "man behind the curtain" type.

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  6. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    If you can buy Batman's glider wings, then you can buy the Vulture.
  7. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    I agree with Dan Slott here. Mysterio's "power" is generating special effects: he was built for the big screen.
  8. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    True. The majority of what's used in films are stuff that anyone with a background in visual effects can come utilize to its fullest effect.
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    Concept art of Anthony Mackie as the Falcon in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
  10. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Yeah, the Vulture, like the Falcon, would need a complete visual overhaul of the concept to work. Those animated Vulture pics above might work, but I doubt they'd go with as 90's a design. It'd still be a massive improvement over the laughable, classic old-man-in-pajamas-with-frilly-white-feather-70's-Elton-John-class-neck-boa.
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  11. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Fortunately, his costume changed since he went back to the original costume in 1997.

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  12. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    As long as it's old Toomes and not Blackie Drago or (even worse) Jimmy Natale, I can deal with any redesigns.
  13. Darth-Lando Chosen One

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    Natale was used perfectly in Rucka's Punisher. He gave Frank a reason to wear an eye patch and then died.
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  14. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    I miss eyepatch-and-beard Punisher so much...
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  15. Ramza JC Head Admin and RPF Manager

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    It wouldn't be quite so painful if we hadn't had to exchange Big Boss Frank for... Thunderbolts... [face_sigh]
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  17. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    I'd be OK with Vulture, he could be done well with the right writers. And given how ridiculous Foxx looks as Electro (maybe less so than the traditional comics version, but still) I don't think worrying how Vulture looks will be a big problem.
  18. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    The comics version could be done without the mask, as shown in the late 90's era. But it's the colors that hurt it.
  19. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    I'm a little iffy on how successful this film will be since ASM 1 underperformed. Maybe the positive hype will make it succeed?
  20. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    Hopefully, Spider-Man is a great & popular character so one expects he should do well.

    On the other hand however, if the franchise does continue to not do that well maybe Sony would be willing to let Disney have it back. Seems unlikely though, even 700 or $800million would be seen as good money for Sony if they really need it. It's not Avengers money sure, but it's hardly bad.
  21. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    We should all not go see it when it comes out!
  22. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    So, apparently there are two rumored titles being floated about: "The Amazing Spider-Man: The Price of Power" and "The Amazing Spider-Man: With Great Power…"

    The sub-title approach will certainly distinguish it from the previous run, though a part of me kinda hoped they go with "Spectacular Spider-Man" or "Superior Spider-Man", etc etc, though I guess they'd run out of Spidey names at that rate...
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  23. Ghost Chosen One

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    Why not "Amazing Spider-Man 2"?
  24. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    I don't really care much for either of those sub-titles, but I'd prefer one over just adding a number every time.

    Thor: The Dark World & Captain America: The Winter Soldier are good titles.
  25. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Okay, but why isn't he in the right state of mind? Becoming Spiderman didn't affect Peter's ability to reason. Are we given any particular reason this would be the case? Or rather, did they ever even say that doing genetic recombination would trigger something like this?

    Earlier, he talked about a voluntary medical treatment for people with disabilities. Later, he was talking about a forced program for people who were "inferior." The intentions don't fit, as modifying people to make them superhuman is conceptually very different than fixing long term injuries that impair the way their normal body is supposed to work. The methods don't fit. The whole philosophy doesn't fit, because he certainly never believed or suggested that people with disabilities were inferior to those without.

    You realize that's the point? Octavius's goals, besides being selfish and warped, are ultimately completely petty. So are the things Peter wants in shirking his duty as Spiderman. The two characters' journeys are intentionally designed to mirror one another, and contrast with the broader life of responsibility and meaning that Uncle Ben argues for.This sort of consistency is part of why I described the film as "tightly written." They consciously selected elements to reinforce the message they want to send. Which stands in stark contrast to the remake, where Peter casually blows off the wishes of a dying man, because Uncle Ben's words are more a Hallmark card than something worth actually exploring the meaning and consequences of.

    Somewhat immaterial, but I don't see how this is substantively different at all.

    The movie actually comes out somewhere in-between. The larger reaction became self-sustaining, which is why Peter couldn't stop it by cutting the power. So in that sense, Octavius was correct. However, he was incorrect about it stabilizing. But I guess I don't see your problem here. An inventor is not allowed to be wrong about an experimental technology that has been tried a grand total of one other time in all of human history, by him?

    These are all ideas about a fictional technology? Could they have said it worked in these other ways? Sure. But did it? No. And what's the difference? As above, would it be any less chance for a control microchip to short circuit on his hip, imbedded in the larger spinal hookup, on the back of his neck, or on the table across the room? The same thing is happening.

    It wouldn't. At all. Conversion disorder. This is really beside the point, so I don't want to dwell on it. But I just want to point out it's not really so far-fetched as you make it seem.

    The movie does this. He never suggests he is right to stop because he doesn't have powers. It's all about him rejecting Uncle Ben's philosophy. They have a part of the film where he is literally rejecting Uncle Ben, and refusing the credo. They couldn't have been any more direct about it without breaking the fourth wall to have the actors and director confirm Peter's character motivations. Let alone the other ways they shove it in your face, like the uncomfortable scene where Peter turns away from a brutal mugging just behind him, even though the assailant was unarmed and any average citizen could've stepped in to help effectively.

    You are mad about an excuse the movie never makes.