Dags, I liked the phantom of the opera get up you were wearing when I first met you, and you're a beautiful auctioner, but it doesn't become you to talk down the VicFF crew as some sort of social inept half-breeds unworthy of StarWalking. I was one of the few who braved the StarWalking clique a few times, but I don't recall "struggling to talk to one another", in fact, everytime I've been out with VicFFers I would hazard that they've constituted the "life of the party", whatever that may be. 2) Face it, you guys are afraid to meet each other in real life away from the keyboard. I will excuse such comments as simple ignorance, based on your limited contact with the Victoria FanForce forum and extended community. I have met DarkJediTJ, jedijem, JediJess, HawkNc, Jet-Eye, RogueProduct, fatboyslim, jedimasterdamir, theboogieman, shara82, The Lute, SithlordMixo and even yourself and LordVaderFF on occasion. This hardly constitutes being "afraid to meet each other away from the keyboard." Despite the ribbing we give him, I'll second Jet-Eye's motion that Cahill is a sensational bloke, Damir is the wind beneath my bloomin' wings, theboogieman and mixo are both pretty good blokes considering they come from ballarat, shara has a cynical wit that can only be described as delicious, and JE, RP and FBS are amongst some of my closest friends. Perhaps in fact, the reverse is true, and that the StarWalking component of VicFF is afraid to meet outside of their established cliques? But far be it from me to suggest such a thing, but rather simply to remind you that just because their is some discussion now on a meet involving some of the newer blood into the forum, it is not fair to castigate VicFF as some sort of "do nothing" institution. From Mixo's film festival, to our numerous ballarat road trips, the odd bevy or two in the bar, or even a forum members birthday where many of us rocked up (it's okay Damir, I wont mention you by name) I'd argue that the bulk of VicFF have been more than active.