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Discussion in 'Community' started by Jedi_Master_Conor, Nov 16, 2006.

  1. Guidman

    Guidman Host, PT Book Club star 4

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    Ha, Chris Froome, Eliud Kipchoge or any endurance athlete would like a word.

    I forget where I read it but they monitored the heart rates of Nascar drivers during a race and there were around 120-150bpm. Which is basically around what a runner will experience during a marathon (140bpm is normally the baseline for a runner). That's a pretty crazy effect on your body for sitting still for few hours.
     
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  2. Luke02

    Luke02 Force Ghost star 5

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    Yep and IMHO you got major stones to get into a weapon (car) going 200 MPH and drive bumper to bumper for a couple hours. Only people with bigger stones are Formula One racers. That is just insanity and it's the one race I never been to that I always wanted to see. I been to a NASCAR race and I been to the Indy 500 even though I am at best a casual fan of both but I never been to a Formula One event so it's on the bucket list. I particularly to see one in another country.
     
  3. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral SFTC June Tiemaster star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    My rule of thumb for "is it a sport"


    Do I say "Why the **** is <sports channel> showing this" when it's on TV.

    Track and Field and Gymnastics, in.

    Poker and Bowling Out.

    So, for the record, since it includes a ball, tom includes bowling where I do not, and excludes Track and Field, where I do not.
     
  4. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    nope, no defense in bowling so it's out. i told you my definition is narrow.
     
  5. Juliet316

    Juliet316 JCC Game Winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    So would MMA fighters like Ronda Rousey.
     
  6. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    i'm not trying to be controversial. i don't think fighters or runners or cyclists or mountain climbers or speed walkers are unimpressive because they don't play sports. i just think they don't play sports.
     
  7. Juliet316

    Juliet316 JCC Game Winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I think you passed that point when you said track and field wasn't a sport.:p
     
  8. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    meh, i gave my definition of sports knowing that most wouldn't agree. i like it though because it eliminates a lot of the grey area like whether speed walking is a sport or bowling or poker or eating hot dogs, even though it also eliminates a lot of things that most other people agree are sports.
     
  9. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's a matter of categorisation, in the line of Kant and Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer actually used sports as an example to describe categorisation.
    I guess tom's definition of sports is "competitive ball games". That's very narrow. But if you take the meaning of words like "sporty" and "sportsmanlike" into account, it makes sense. Just a matter of what you base your definition on.

    Similarly, one could argue rap is not music :p
     
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  10. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral SFTC June Tiemaster star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I do appreciate the simplicity of your stance (and admit I missed the "play defense" portion initially).
     
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  11. Guidman

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    I'm throwing cyclists into the mix, obviously outside of extreme sports. These guys have absolutely no fear. They're going a little under 60mph down the side of a mountain, sitting on the top tube with the only protection being a helmet. Anything goes wrong, you don't walk away from that. You probably don't walk again period and that's probably the best case scenario.

     
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  12. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC/PT/New Films Manager star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    the bike's obviously doing all of the work
     
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  13. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    i think it's a fun discussion and one i've had with others before, which is how i eventually arrived at my definition. i just can't find any other metric for determining what is a sport. it can't be physical exertion, otherwise things like aerobics and hammering rocks would be sports. it can't be danger, adrenaline junkies do all kinds of stuff that no one would probably call sports. so i'm left with my stance as simple and limiting as it might be. again, i would stress that i think many runners, high jumpers, gymnasts, etc. are very impressive athletes, i just don't consider those activities "sports".
     
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  14. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral SFTC June Tiemaster star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't find a lot of fault in your definition. Because, while I want to include, say, athletics and swimming, I don't want to include, say, Chess and Poker.

    i want to say the crucial element is an objective way to declare a winner, be it through a pre-defined way to score points, or an objective way to declare a superior effort, such as less time to finish the same task, or covering more distance with the same opportunity. While that means Gymnastics and Diving (subjective scoring of points) are out (I'm okay with this) and MMA and Boxing (again, you can go to subjective judges for scoring) possible are out as well (I'm mostly also okay with this) ... I'm not sure it actually dismisses, say, Poker, Darts, and Rifle Shooting.

    And, while you could throw in an additional qualifying line such as "through the physical exertion of athletic activity" you are now going down the rabbit's hole of what an athletic activity is, or how much physical exertion is needed to qualify.

    It's a fun discussion to have, but I definitely struggle to find one that is inclusive enough, but not overly exclusive.

    tom - you include a puck to allow for the Hockey caveat without a ball, would you also allow a Frisbee caveat to allow something such as Ultimate Frisbee?
     
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  15. tom

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    yeah, ultimate frisbee definitely fits the spirit of my definition. balls happen to be used in most sports, but it doesn't have to be a ball. but yeah, it's really hard to narrow it down without going down one rabbit hole or another.
     
  16. epic

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    standard definition is

    an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

    something like darts or poker dont really use any physical exertion, so wouldn't count even in this very lenient definition.

    imo to exclude a host of sporting events, a large section of the Olympics for example, seems excessive; I mean what 'borderline'' sports are we even talking about? bowling?
     
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  17. tom

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    i don't think it's excessive because it's not like i'm saying swimming and running and pole vaulting are inferior activities and no one should watch them. i have always loved the olympics. i just put those things in a different box than i do sports i guess. i don't even know why really, it's kind of pedantic, but arguments happen over whether such and such is a sport and this is the way i deal with it i guess.
     
  18. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    My definition of a sport is “Does the activity build muscle to the point to the minimum of 75 percent of your body weight being muscle, and does the activity build stamina to the point where your resting heart rate averages 60 beats per minute?”

    I’m not sure “heart rate increase due to fear of crashing into a wall and dying” as opposed to “heart rate increase due to aerobic work” counts as a “sport,” so at the moment I don’t count NASCAR.

    As far as bicycling...anyone who does not think it’s a sport is welcome to bike 20 miles beside me, including several hills.
     
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  19. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC/PT/New Films Manager star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    the muscle needed to control a stock car experiencing up to 3 Gs while in a superspeedway turn is considerable.

    i can understand the skepticism, but the sport is a lot different than it used to be when any bubba with a beer gut could roll his mercury cyclone out onto the flat dirt track and compete.
     
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  20. Luke02

    Luke02 Force Ghost star 5

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    Are we all in agreement then that competitive eating is not a sport even though I find it truly fascinating at times? :confused:
     
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  21. LloydChristmas

    LloydChristmas Jedi Master star 4

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    So wait do the 49ers play sports since they have no defense?
     
  22. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    solid burn. my only counter is thirty years old gifs.

    [​IMG]
     
  23. Luke02

    Luke02 Force Ghost star 5

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    I still blame the downfall of the 49ers on getting rid of their uniforms back then. How do you mess with perfection? It's like the curse of the Honey Bears. Until the 49ers go back to the old jerseys, they won't win anything just like the Bears will not win another Super Bowl again until they bring back the Honey Bears.
     
  24. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    we were so close with harbaugh, jed york is just terrible. i wouldn't mind those unis back either though.
     
  25. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral SFTC June Tiemaster star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    ma_petite - we can still do bets. Just not on the NFL and not in the NFL thread.
     
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