The Big Theme Database. Can YOU add to it?

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  1. Miz Jedi Knight

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    SW:EpII:AOTC

    21: Love theme (ATS)



    Any other new ones in AOTC? I havn't listened to it enough to find any others.
  2. s1138_ Jedi Knight

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    in AOTC there is a new march type theme.
  3. HawkNC Former RSA: Oceania

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    Track 12 on the AotC CD. May I go so far as to call it the new Imperial March? :D
  4. Miz Jedi Knight

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    That's not a march, that's just a motif used in one track.

    And I forgot to add Shmi's Theme, since it's now been used in AOTC, it's obvious what it is (I couldn't quite identify it in TPM).
  5. DarkMark Jedi Knight

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    Count Dooku has a theme. In the movie you hear it when Ki-Adi-Mundi says "He's a political idealist, not a murderer." I think it's on Track 1 of the CD.
    I'm sure the Death Star has a theme in ANH - it's heard every time you see a Star Destroyer or TIE flying towards it, and in RotJ when the Executor crashes into it.
    I think Padme has a Theme in AotC. Either she is sharing Across the Stars, much like the Love Theme from ESB is also Han's Theme, or it's the one heard for the first minute or so of "The Meadow Picnic." It's also in "Anakin and Padme."
  6. bright sith Jedi Grand Master

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    By my count, AOTC has one new theme and three new motifs. The one theme being the love theme. One of the three motifs being one associated with mystery, most often played with a solo horn. One being the little motif between Anakin and Padme, and the last one showing up in Kamino, as well as when Dooku is on his speeder. It's used in the opening track on the CD, but the film doesn't use the same cue.
  7. Gonzonaut Jedi Knight

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    There is a march like motiff played in the track "Love Pledge and the Arena" from the Attack of the Clones soundtrack, which I assume is the motiff for the arena creatures or the Geonosians in general.
  8. Son of the Suns Administrator Emeritus

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    The action music in "The Arena" (which is sadly only partially used in the film) is not really a motif, just a stand-alone cue. It does appear to be modeled after the Trade Federatiion March, though.
  9. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    I know. :( I LOVE that cue on the soundtrack, but it hardly plays during the movie.

    It reminds me of the Flag Parade and the Federation March combined for some reason. :)
  10. Son of the Suns Administrator Emeritus

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    It reminds me of "Belly of the Steel Beast" from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
  11. dolphin Force Ghost

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    The Asteroid "theme" is a genuine theme. JW has said that it is one of his favorite.




    Shadows of the Empire

    "In the Sewers" was a great theme.
  12. David_Blue Jedi Knight

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    Son of the Suns said:
    "You missed two themes from TPM: Shmi's Theme (heard in "Anakin is Free" and the Qui-Gon Jinn tone poem) and Darth Maul's primal motif (heard while Darth Maul is facing Qui-Gon while he is meditating, when he arrives on Tatooine and right before Qui-Gon's theme comes full force in "Qui-Gon and Darth Maul Meet")."

    Are these on the _Episide One_ sound track CD, and if so, where into what tracks?

    I'm delighted and surprised that Darth Maul has some music specific to himself. I thought that:
    * _The Duel Of The Fates_ was now defined as generic "stirring music", to be used on any occasion, such as Annakin asking for directions.
    * The chanting bit was considered to be part of the _Emperor's Theme_.
    * When the bits "owned" by other characters, and generic music were subtracted, nothing whatever remained. In other words, musically, Darth Maul was never there at all.

    If I can hear and identify some notes on the CD, and know that these notes mean "Darth Maul", I'll like that, a lot. Thanks in advance for help with this.

    To a lesser extent, the same is true with Shmi. It seems to me that these ought to be big characters, and that therefore they should have some musical existence.
  13. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    Guys, there's a BIG difference between a "cue" and a "theme". There is no "asteroid theme"- it was a cue. Likewise, the marchish piece in the arena was a "cue", not a "theme".
  14. Son of the Suns Administrator Emeritus

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    "Are these on the _Episide One_ sound track CD, and if so, where into what tracks?"

    Are you referring to the original release of the score? If so, I'll give it a try:

    Shmi's theme appears only once in the CD, briefly in the track "Watto's Deal and Kids at Play". It's about 1:58 into the track, sandwiched between Anakin's theme and the Force theme. But if you're familiar with the movie, you'll know Shmi's theme as the powerful cue that is played when Anakin starts up his Pod saying "It's working, it's working!" and the camera cuts to Shmi.

    Darth Maul's chanting motif (essentially Duel of the Fates stripped down to the very basics) appears in the beginning of the track "The Sith Spacecraft and The Droid Battle", before the unrelated music from the space battle comes on. If I recall correctly, it also appears in the beginning of the track "Qui-Gon's Noble End".
  15. David_Blue Jedi Knight

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  16. Miz Jedi Knight

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    Indeed. A certain kind of chanting is not a theme. However, Shmi's theme IS a theme, as it appears in multiple scenes in two different films. It is a part of the leitmotif idea which Williams uses.
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  18. Na Wibo Jedi Knight

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    Since this thread was bumped, I figured I would repost a more complete list of themes mentioned so far. I?ve included ones that seem to qualify as leitmotif, meaning they are attached to characters or other dramatic elements, and they reappear along with the associated dramatic element. Themes, melodies, etc., that only appear once are not listed even if they are clearly associated with a character or scene (like the Tusken Raiders in ANH, Asteroid theme in ESB, and the Arena march in AOTC -- maybe I?ll make a separate list of those). These are listed by the first film each one appears in. I put a * next to ones that appear in multiple films.

    ANH
    Main theme aka Luke?s *
    Rebel fanfare *
    Force/Obi-wan *
    Orig Vader thm & two-step
    Stormtrooper
    Leia *
    Jawas
    Death Star
    Landspeeder motif
    Alderaan
    Tatooine *

    ESB
    Love aka Han and Leia *
    Echo Base (I don?t know what this one is)
    Imperial March aka Vader (aka Teh Happy Senators) *
    Droids
    Yoda *
    Lando / Cloud City
    Boba Fett

    ROTJ
    Jabba *
    Emperor *
    Ewoks (perhaps 2)
    Luke and Leia
    Victory thm

    TPM
    Duel of the Fates (3 motives) *
    Qui-gon
    Anakin *
    Trade Federation / Battle Droids *
    Jar Jar Binks
    Shmi *
    Maul Drums & voices
    Amidala (? I still don't hear this one)

    AOTC
    Love Theme (Across The Stars)
    Conspiracy / Dooku
    Mystery
    Pastoral Naboo theme

    Shadows of the Empire
    Dash Rendar
    Xizor
    Coruscant
  19. Cam_Mulonus Jedi Master

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    The TPM Amidala one is nearly impossible to ID, but you hear it both when the speeders rush into the swamp and people get out, and when the decoy looks at Padme, and she says "We are brave your highness." It is elsewhere as well.

    Don't forget the Tuskens theme (or motiff). In ANH, the part when they drag Luke to the landspeeder, it is quite identical to the peice when Anakin first approaches the Tusken camp in AOTC. So, it's in two movies.
  20. batvader Jedi Knight

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    I think that in AOTC there's also the ''Kamino Motif'' or something (it doesn't have an official name)

    Track 1 on the album (it's mislabelled as ''Ambush at Coruscant'')
  21. Na Wibo Jedi Knight

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    Amidala's theme: I'll have to watch the film again to hear what's at those spots. I listened again to those general areas on the soundtrack, and continue to fail to hear any connection. (Not that it isn't there.)

    Tusken theme: Nice catch, Cam. I only subliminally noticed that before. Another reason to watch the OT more often.

    Kamino theme: This is what I meant by the "Mystery" theme above. I hear the part at Kamino as sort of a variation on a similar motif that is also heard when Kliegg is talking about Shmi, and when Dooku is on his speeder.
  22. Cam_Mulonus Jedi Master

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    Like I said, JW disguised Amidala's a little too well. ;)

    There's another little cue that bugs me a lot. The one where OBi walks towards his fighter in the rain, and it's heard when Anakin is given the account of Shmi. I always that that this was the Mystery theme.

    But as for the Kaminoan/Mystery theme, I would actually call that the clone theme. because it's also briefly heard between the two versions of the Imperial March at Dawn of the Empire. Listen to that part, then listen to the part when Taun We escorts Obi to lama su. You'll hear a great similarity between the two. Just another idea.
  23. Na Wibo Jedi Knight

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    Aha. Ignore what I said about Kamino=Mystery theme. What you call the Mystery theme (Ben in the rain / talking about Shmi) I also call the Mystery theme (or motif). It is also on track 1 so I was confused about what you originally meant.

    I see what you mean about the similarity between that fanfare on Kamino and the bit in the finale (between the two statements of the Imperial march). Although, I also see a connection between that finale bit and the Love theme. Others have remarked on that as well.

    About Amidala's theme, I've heard it mentioned that it may have been part of the music that went with the pre-release ads (what I beleive some people called "tone poems" even though they aren't). Does anyone know if that music is available online? I haven't looked yet.
  24. Nilbog Jedi Padawan

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    Can you hear Amidala's theme on track 6(Anakin and Padme)of the AOTC soundtrack?
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