The British Politics Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by DarthKarde, Apr 8, 2003.

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  1. Darth_Asabrush Force Ghost

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    That's ok then. That he didn't force his opinions on vegetarianism. Shame about his other opinions.
  2. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    Edited Labour MP "kickback" story. :)
  3. Darth_Asabrush Force Ghost

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  4. GivePeaceAChance Jedi Knight

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    (Off-topic - I'm not going to deviate this thread any further, but my source re: Hitler is a book by Leonard and Renate Heston which has a foreword by the aforementioned Albert Speer and quotes him as well. A mis-remembered interview is not a 'fact'!)

    I think most people here agree that Labour will win the next election and that the Tories are still struggling, though IDS is a better bet than Hague in my view. But where does this leave the Liberal party? They have been drifting since 1997 - although they have more seats than for a generation, it matters less than ever because of the size of Labour's majority. The liberal's main strategy hinges on being a significant 3rd party and, post-Iraq, they seem to be more irrelevant to national politics than I can ever remember. Is there still a chance for the Liberals to become the second party? What do people make of Kennedy?

  5. AJA Force Ghost

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    Indeed. Found it.

    Albert Speer, 1971:

    Interviewer: We've read that Hitler was a vegetarian.

    Speer: He was, in addition to neither drinking nor smoking. He had a special vegetarian chef prepare his dishes. He loved animals and thought their wholesale slaughter for our tables was cruel and barbaric -- the same man who could order millions to their deaths without a flicker of pity! But he wasn't a fanatic about his vegetarianism and didn't try to impose his tastes on the rest of us, although he would occasionally chide us as "carrion eaters."

    After dinner, the company always followed Hitler into the salon, which had been fitted out as a film-projection room. Until the war, when the practice was discontinued, Hitler always saw one or two movies every evening, generally romantic films, historic spectaculars and light musical comedies, particularly those with a lot of leggy chorus girls. Hitler suffered from insomnia and would not let us go until two or three in the morning, when we would finally stagger gratefully off to our own beds to get enough sleep to face another day of stultifying boredom.


  6. Kimball_Kinnison Force Ghost

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    Here 's a corrected link. (You can cut everything between the ; and ? out of the URL and still get the article. You can also trim off the style section of the link.)

    Kimball Kinnison
  7. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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  8. AJA Force Ghost

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    Funny how the truth eventually comes out, despite all the effort to the contrary.
  9. Stuey Force Ghost

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    AJA on Che shirts

    I see it as no different from wearing a swastika

    it is no different to wearing a swastika in the sense it is displaying you're political beliefs for everybody to see.

    it's different in the sense that Che Guevara was a guerrilla who fought for the liberation of latin America from the economic stranglehold the US had on it whereas the Nazi's advocated genocide and the creation of a master race
  10. Darth_Asabrush Force Ghost

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    AJA,

    Don't jump the gun. Galloway has been accused not found guilty.
  11. AJA Force Ghost

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    Both ideologies advocate and result in the wholesale slaughter of human beings and the crushing of human liberty. They are nothing but flipsides of the same coin. They only differ in who they view the "bad guys" to be. However, they are increasingly united in their view, because they both hate the U.S. and Israel.
  12. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    Yeah, apparently he's threatened to sue the Telegraph over the story.


    Hey, thanks Asabrush for the Commonwealth link. Just went through it.
  13. redxavier Force Ghost

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    "He was, in addition to neither drinking nor smoking. He had a special vegetarian chef prepare his dishes."

    No wonder, his ass was so tight if you put a rock up it, in two weeks you'd have a diamond.

    People need their protein. Eat meat. Kill a chicken.




    I think I'm losing it.
  14. Stuey Force Ghost

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    Why does hating America make you a bad person?

    How did Che Guevara advocate the death of millions?

    EDIT: i'm sorry i keep de-railing this thread
  15. DarthKarde Jedi Grand Master

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    Stuey

    I wasn't referring to you in particular with my comments about students wearing Che Guevara shirts. It has been my experience that many students who talk a far left wing political position and/or hero worship Guevara actually have very little knowledge of politics and the Guevara in particular. I wouldn't suggest that this applies to all people with such beliefs.

    I see it as no different from wearing a swastika

    Stunning contribution AJA absolutely stunning. Would it be too much to ask for you to refrain from treating people with a different view from you in such an insulting manor. This may come as a surprise to you but in Britain socialism is not a fringe position adopted only be naive teenagers, millions of people in have socialist views and principles. While I do not share their views I find it offensive when people such as yourself as so insulting towards them.

    As for George Galloway, I really hope that he didn't do it. While I agree with him on very few issues I have always admired him for holding such uncompromising views on such controversial subjects. Furthermore he is tremedous orator who speaks with great passion. Some of his speeches in The House of Commons over the last decade have been amongst the most moving that I have heard. I will be saddened if all this is negated.
  16. AJA Force Ghost

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    Stunning contribution AJA absolutely stunning. Would it be too much to ask for you to refrain from treating people with a different view from you in such an insulting manor.

    If it was a swastika, would you still make the same criticism?

    This may come as a surprise to you but in Britain socialism is not a fringe position adopted only be naive teenagers, millions of people in have socialist views and principles. While I do not share their views I find it offensive when people such as yourself as so insulting towards them.

    It is not a surprise, but it is the biggest problem I have with Europe, and it goes back to what I was talking about. Nazism and Communism were both spawned from European socialism. No good has come of it, and it is the sole cause of the economic stagnation that causes present-day Europe to resent the US. It is an ideology that, when it wins out completely, results in repressive dictatorship. I have no problem in offending those sensibilities.

    As for George Galloway, I really hope that he didn't do it. While I agree with him on very few issues I have always admired him for holding such uncompromising views on such controversial subjects. Furthermore he is tremedous orator who speaks with great passion. Some of his speeches in The House of Commons over the last decade have been amongst the most moving that I have heard. I will be saddened if all this is negated.

    We already know that the French and Russians were opposed to the war for similar reasons. Chirac is a personal friend of Saddam, for pete's sake. The anti-war movement as a whole is funded and organized by organizations that work hand-in-hand with Kim Jong Il. Why would this Galloway situation be any surprise? It fits a pattern that should be clear as day by now, but for the willful obfuscation of the media and academic community.
  17. Undomiel Jedi Master

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    AJA,

    "Obfuscation." What a great, high brow word. I must remember to employ it at some point in my writings.

    Your posts are interesting. I'd like to read more. Please continue.
  18. AJA Force Ghost

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    I think I'll take being condescended to by someone with no argument for my points as a sign that I'm correct.

    Your posts are interesting. I'd like to read more. Please continue.

    How about some info on the groundbreaking progressive environmental policies of Nazi Germany? Or maybe their revolutionary scientific efforts in manipulating human genetics?
  19. Stuey Force Ghost

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    eugenics! another thing Che Guevara did, i didn't realise how much he was like Hitler, that you for opening my eyes

    how does giving all land to the proletariat coincide with genocide and eugenics?

    the proletariat consist of oppressed groups, whether it's economic oppression (the working class) or otherwise (like ethnic minorities)
  20. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    When are the elections?

    What are the polls showing?

    Who is up for vote this time round?
  21. AJA Force Ghost

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    eugenics! another thing Che Guevara did, i didn't realise how much he was like Hitler, that you for opening my eyes

    How about the 80+ journalists Castro imprisoned last week?
  22. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    *sound of thread de-railing*
  23. Stuey Force Ghost

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    you do realise Guevara was killed and isn't actually Castro in disguise don't you? because i thought we were talking about Guevara and people idolising him as a socialist rather than a dicatator who forced Guevara out because he started to conflict with his policies

    and imprisonment isn't genocide
  24. Red-Seven Manager Emeritus

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    Che Guevera
    Cuban politics
    Hitler's vegetarianism
    debate of linkage of socialism to naziism


    What do all of these things ahve in common??




    They all have EXTREMELY little to do with British Politics.

    Che and Cuba belongs in its own thread(s). the Socialism = Naziism hypothesis has been roundly discussed around here, and I would appreciate it if it no longer derails this different and distinct topic of discussion.
  25. AJA Force Ghost

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    I understand the Tories may pick up as many as 400 seats in May.
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