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ST The Force, the Chosen One, Balance, and the ST

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Immortiss, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    Oh Sinister, I wub you [:D]
     
  2. Jobertus

    Jobertus Jedi Knight star 3

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    I love the parts of the PT where Anakin travels around the galaxy healing people, when he walks on water, has a whole galaxy wide religion based solely on his teachings, lives a life of abstinence, implores people to turn the other cheek, loves his enemies, and sacrifices himself for the sins of all the beings in the galaxy. Wait, most if not all of those things didn't happen? Then Jesus Christ how can people compare Anakin Skywalker to Jesus Christ? They can't, it's merely a lazy comparison based on very little evidence to support it.
     
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  3. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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  4. I Are The Internets

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    Damn I didn't think that was an actual real thing.
     
  5. Darth_Corvus

    Darth_Corvus Jedi Master star 4

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    source of midichlorians. Not the Force.
     
  6. Darth Archimage

    Darth Archimage Jedi Master star 3

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    Just cap off the wellspring and see what happens [face_devil]
     
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  7. Darth Archimage

    Darth Archimage Jedi Master star 3

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    Qui-Gon: I am a manifestation of the Force, a Force that consists of two parts. Living beings generate the Living Force, which in turn powers the wellspring that is the Cosmic Force.

    Priestess: All that surrounds us is the foundation of life, the birthplace of what your science calls midi-chlorians, the foundation of what connects the Living Force and the Cosmic Force. When a living thing dies, all is removed. Life passes from the Living Force into the Cosmic Force and becomes one with it. One powers the other. One is renewed by the other.
     
  8. JediMatteus

    JediMatteus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    luke is Jesus Christ because he redeemed Vader
     
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  9. SgtTimBob

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    An immaculately conceived prophesied guy who is said to bring balance? I'm sorry, you can't write that and not expect messianic comparisons to be made. Anyway, whether he's christlike or not, he's still referred to as the 'chosen one', in other words, some kind of really special guy who has a certain destiny. I just feel like this was a weak attempt to try and make him a more sympathetic character, since Lucas decided he didn't want to show him as the great guy Ben talks about.
     
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  10. ForgottennJedi1986

    ForgottennJedi1986 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    "since Lucas decided he didn't want to show him as the great guy Ben talks about"

    While I sort of agree with you and wish there had been more moments showing Anakin doing great/nice things, that is still just your opinion from a certain point of view. For instance what happened to the Tuskens wasn't the Jedi thing to do but the Tuskens ("their vicisous, mindless monsters")have never been shown to have one single redeeming quality of any sort, they seem down right evil from I-VI. Even those "innocent" Tusken women sat by and did nothing as Shmi was raped for months, they don't seem like a compassionate bunch at all, but still doesnt make Anakin's actions right though. Part of Anakin's failing is that he is unable to control his normal human emotions which separates him (and Luke) from other Jedi who seem to suppress theirs as much as possible. So other than that scene and the last half of ROTS I would say all in all Anakin was a good guy before his fall. You have to remember when watching IV that Obi-Wan is hiding many things from Luke and isn't being straight up with him, Luke confronts Obi-Wan about it in VI and we get the whole "certain point of view" for an answer. It's kind of like if Batman was raising or training Two-Face's son he might only tell him about Dent and not about the evil man he became.
     
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  11. SgtTimBob

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    Yeah. I guess to me it just felt like I was being beaten over the head with this message that Anakin was heading down the wrong path, whereas with Luke it felt more like there was a danger that he could do that.

    On the subject of Ben's original story to Luke and subsequent revelation in Jedi, I always saw that as more of a retcon, but it is a retcon that makes logical sense motivationally for Ben's character. Since, it's pretty apparent that the whole Vader is Anakin idea was only invented during the writing of Empire. I'm sure Lucas would have handled the story Ben gives to Luke slightly differently had he foreseen that; maybe he wouldn't have told him straight up that Vader was his father, but he would probably have made it less of a straight up lie and more of an omission of fact. In the end the way that whole thing played out was pretty good, because it made Vader's revelation more shocking and gave it an element of doubt, like maybe he was lying.
     
  12. ForgottennJedi1986

    ForgottennJedi1986 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I know exactly what you mean on both points. Though I was disappointed back 2000, I'm now happy that GL took out the scene of Anakin beating up Greedo since AOTC is almost as dark as TESB and ROTS is even darker, we really did need TPM to show Anakin as just a sweet kid that everyone rags on. It's clear that during IV-VI GL was just making it up and reworking it as he went along, with I-III he had kind of written himself into a corner(which would happen to anyone who decides to tell the middle part of the story first). Everyone already knew Anakin was going to become Vader, the Clone Wars would happen, Palpatine would become Emperor, the Jedi would be destroyed. So in order to gives us things we didn't expect I think he invented both the Chosen One prophecy and the forbidden love bit to throw us a curve ball. In the end, I would say GL did a fantastic job of tying both trilogies together.
     
  13. I Are The Internets

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    The Force is one mean sonofagun.
     
  14. Darth_Corvus

    Darth_Corvus Jedi Master star 4

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    So midichlorians existing connects beings to the living force. When beings die they go from the Living force to the cosmic force, giving it fule. The cosmic force creates midichlorians to connect beings with the living force.

    Daaamn Ep VII needs a seminar on these things.
     
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  15. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    That would be interesting to see.
     
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  16. Darth_Corvus

    Darth_Corvus Jedi Master star 4

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    ookay, I went ahead and watched the arc in question. It didn't answer much. In fact it raised more question than it answered:
    - What is the unifying force then? Or was it scrapped?
    - What on that planet gives birth to the midichlorians?
    - Who were the five priestesses in life, and what were they in death?
    - Why was Bane wearing a samurai like armor instead of his orbalisk armor that he was to wear in the mortis arc?
    - Speaking of which: how does Mortis factor in, with the role of this force planet?
    - The priestess told Yoda that there is another Skywalker, before Padmé got pregnant. What does this mean?

    All we know for sure is that Yoda still has a role to play. The whole point of this three episode story arc was to enable yoda to defeat the sith by retaining his identity after death. In the movies he only shows up once, briefly as a force ghost, after Palpatine dies. Unless Yoda appears in the ST this was all pointless fanservice.

    Oh, the priestesses claim that yoda will train the one who will restore balance to the Force. So Luke is infact the chosen one.
     
  17. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Because Lucas and Filoni changed their minds.
     
  18. Darth_Corvus

    Darth_Corvus Jedi Master star 4

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    I sense another, third origin story. I hope it also involved Revan.
     
  19. JediMatteus

    JediMatteus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    that is the only thing GL did. the recent films were a joke
     
  20. ForgottennJedi1986

    ForgottennJedi1986 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    To each their own, I personally enjoy all six films with the same love.
     
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  21. Kraven Head

    Kraven Head Jedi Knight star 1

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    I'd probably love TPM if it was cut down to about 25 minutes.
     
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  22. EHT

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    Reminder... this thread is not for bashing or PT vs. OT stuff.
     
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  23. Darth_Corvus

    Darth_Corvus Jedi Master star 4

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    Actually neither is it about the nature of the Force and that is what I was discussing. I really want a leak to come sometimes about now. We have so little to go on and this makes us more susceptible to offtopic.
     
  24. Darth_Bertie

    Darth_Bertie Force Ghost star 6

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    I keep thinking about one thing. If the Sith return during the ST, and it is not Luke or his offspring the ones who defeat it, would this mean the profecy was not true? How do you think it would affect the saga story if a character like Boyega, or another non-Skywalker role, is the one who ends up with the Sith on this trilogy?
     
  25. EHT

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    The nature of the Force is pretty intrinsically linked to things like the chosen one and the prophecy. Bashing and arguments about OT or PT are pretty irrelevant to the topic. Furthermore, due to their contentious nature, they can lead to things like warnings and bans.