ST The Force, the Chosen One, Balance, and the ST

Balance of the Force, not balance of the Force-users.

Probably not.

Neither of those would be accurate. Anakin wasn't the one who unbalanced the Force in the first place, and Luke wasn't the Chosen One.

 

Balance does not necessarily mean things are equal - and that quote from the teaser may be how it appears in the actual film as "... the Datk Side and the Light.." could be a different scence.

Considering how Lucas didn't concern with himself exploring the balance of the Force in either the Prequels or TCW, where it actually mattered, I doubt that the issue will be raised again Sequels.

Abrams also has a history of not concerning himself with resolving ALL outstanding questions - for example, the origin of the Super 8 monster, LOST (it wasn't all Abrams like people believe but he was heavily involved), etc.

 

I think the prophecy as a concept died with the Jedi order.

 

Abrams will ignore the prophecy for this film.

 

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If they ignore the prophecy of the Chosen One then I will be furious as it would be a middle finger to Lucas. If they ignore it I'm out.

 

Well, he never really explored it, so how would that give him the finger? What IS balance, anyway? He never answered that question, and it is a question that SHOULD have been answered.

 

I seriously doubt we'll ever hear the prophecy mentioned on screen again. There is a deliberate move on Disney's part to move away from the Prequels. I'd be surprised if they outright contradicted them as some seem to think, but they'll be in no hurry to explore those themes and characters again, at least in this first 'phase' of SW films ( Eps7 to 9, and the first 3 spin offs ).

 

Watch the movies and the Chosen One featurette on Episode 3 DVD Disc 2 from 2005 or watch it on YouTube if you don't know and Yes it was answered .( although vaguely )

 

Gee, I should have thought of that! Watch Star Wars movies... I will get right on that.

If it wasn't dealt with in the movies-that which actually ended up onscreen!- it wasn't dealt with: no featurettes, no interviews, no jeez I shoulda covered this, no vagueness.

 

Damn , if you PAID attention you should know it from the films themselves .

 

*ahem* "although vaguely"

This whole issue is one of the reasons why I do not have much respect for the PT. If the blanks have to be filled in through outside media, the job didn't get done.

 

I said that it's explained very well in the movies . If you still don't understand it you should look into it more .

 

If they were really avoiding the prequels, we wouldn't see half the the things that you expect to see in Eps 7 to 9. Not everything from the prequels was hated.

 

It would be cool if Hayden came back. Isnt ep 8 supposed to be from the prequel writer?

 

Well, some of the elements may be brought forward into the ST, such as the depiction of the Sith ( Kylo igniting his saber in the trailer is undoubtedly a 'Darth Maul moment' ), and also perhaps, the pace of the movies, but I do doubt that we'll get any call backs to plotlines, or characters from the Prequel era, at least in this first 'stage'.
I don't think it's any coincidence that the vast majority of the new SW material developed since Disney took over has been OT focused. The marketing and merchandising campaigns this year also have a huge OT focus.
They want the wider audience, many of whom were not engaged by the PT, to know that we're getting a sequel to ROTJ, not ROTS.
This attitude may change, assuming that the new movies are a big success, and they get more confident with the franchise and the SW brand, but I think we're going to have to accept that for the moment, the PT is very much on the backburner.

 

The Prequel Trilogy has more fans than dislikers . ( look at the money made from them and the TCW series )

 

That might be true, but my point was that avoiding things from the prequels is a dangerous precedent. The prophecy isn't mentioned in the OT, but neither is the word "Sith" (even if it was in the novelizations), double lightsabers, and "Darth" being a title.

 

Amongst hardcore Star Wars fans you may be right, and for the record, I'm not a PT hater ( I have issues with them, but I also enjoy them in the main, I just don't love them as I do the OT ), but amongst a wider audience? Not really.
Amongst the wider movie audience, and even amongst genre fandom, there just isn't the love for the stories and concepts of the PT , whereas the OT is still held in the highest regard. It just comes down to good business sense on Disney's part to concentrate on OT themes and not refer back to the PT.

 

I didn't want to undermine your opinion in the previous post BTW.
But the fact how much money has been made proves that average moviegoer Joe likes these movies .Bashers ( don't mean you and others that present their opinions maturely ) are louder and some insult the defenders of those movies and give them death threats so that many people don't want to struggle with these immature persons .
The fact that Disney first hired Gary Whitta and then Chris Weitz is really setting me off as they should respect Lucas and look onto the Saga as a whole .

 

Seeing as how Ahsoka is in Rebels, and there are PT era characters in comics, and Filoni has said that there is more news about TCW coming, I'd say this statement isn't correct at all. The main Saga will move away from the PT simply because time moves forward. But the PT era isn't done yet. We'll see more in the way of books, comics, and possibly Spin-Off films. Disney wont want to alienate any of their fans, and there's an entire generation that grew up with, and love, the PT era. We haven't seen the last of it.

 

Totally, and they should. But these movies are not an organic growth from the PT, but from the OT, so it will make sense that it has more in common with those. It's just kind of... would odd be the right term? ...because of the order these 6 were made in.

 

Agreed. And any films that come out after the ST will be an organic growth from the ST and move farther away from the OT. It's the way of things.

 

Yes, I take your point that some of the ancillary media have featured PT era characters, and I fully expect and hope that once Disney see the success of the first batch of movies, they'll become more confident and start to explore the PT era on film.
Perhaps I was too broad in my original statement, but I firmly believe that we won't see any overt PT references or callbacks in these first 6 films, and specifically the Chosen One plotline. It's just too closely linked to a particular type of storytelling that charaterises the PT, rather than the OT.