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The Chosen One

Discussion in 'Literature' started by asimon2005, Jan 3, 2009.

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  1. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Tsk..tsk... What you have to understand about Sidious is that while he was a consummate deceiver, very rarely did he ever lie.

    It's entirely plausible that Plagueis influenced the Force in order to create Anakin. Here's a visual clue for you, from the man who uses "themes" like a frakkin' sledgehammer: the backdrop for the scene where the conversation between Palpatine and Anakin is taking place looks like sperm impregnating eggs! Does it get any more obvious?
     
  2. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    For what it's worth, Sidious personally thinks (as in, when we're actually in his head) that Anakin was created by the Force itself. Source, Dark Lord.
     
  3. BennyM

    BennyM Jedi Knight star 1

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    Has it been discussed that maybe Plaugius (sorry for misspelling) used the force to create Palpitine? Which in turn made the force, in all of its checks and balances, create Anakin to counter that?
     
  4. Qui-Gon_Reborn

    Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No, that's not possible. Sidious was taken as a child from an unknown planet to serve as Plaguesis's apprentice.
     
  5. Daft-Vader

    Daft-Vader Chosen One star 8

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    Lies, Deceit, Creating mistrust are the ways of the Sith

    I say that Sidious knew the worries Anakin was having, so he simply made up a story about his master knowing the secret, since he knows that Anakin will want to learn this secret, and thus will be more... friendly towards the Sith Lord, unlike the rest of the Jedi who will just try to kill him on sight.

    Plageius may have been looking for it, but I doubt he found, Sidious, I feel, was certainly looking for it.
     
  6. Master_Jedi_LS

    Master_Jedi_LS Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Lies, Deceit, Creating mistrust are the ways of the Sith

    I say that Sidious knew the worries Anakin was having, so he simply made up a story about his master knowing the secret, since he knows that Anakin will want to learn this secret, and thus will be more... friendly towards the Sith Lord, unlike the rest of the Jedi who will just try to kill him on sight.

    Plageius may have been looking for it, but I doubt he found, Sidious, I feel, was certainly looking for it.


    You could be right but I doubt it. There is to much in the story that supports the idea that Plageius had the ability. Like Anakin not having a father, how do you explain that?
     
  7. Daft-Vader

    Daft-Vader Chosen One star 8

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    Is there actually any proof that Plageius/Sidious did create Anakin, because I had not heard of this before this thread...
     
  8. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    People usually turn to Rick McCallum's commentary in that scene on the ROTS dvd. Of course, in The Making of Episode I GL says the midi-chlorians created Anakin.
     
  9. rhonderoo

    rhonderoo Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This.

    And this. :p

    These are the only "facts" we have about Anakin's conception, both IU and OOU.
     
  10. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Saying Anakin was created by the Force or by the midichlorians does not rule out the Sith creation theory. If a Sith created Anakin, then that was accomplished by using the Force to influence the midichlorians to create him. In that case it is still true that Anakin was created by the midichlorians and that he was created by the Force, especially if the actions of the Sith in question were in some way moved by the Force or its dark side.
     
  11. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's entirely possible. Anakin was taken as a child from a backwater planet to serve as Qui-Gon's apprentice yet you believe Plagueis created him.
     
  12. rhonderoo

    rhonderoo Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The answer from George has always been, to paraphrase, "We're going to leave that up for fan speculation." I remember that very well from a post-ROTS interview. So speculation on anyone's part is all it will ever be until he says different, I guess. But the fact that the Force created him still remains the same has always been his tagline on the subject.
     
  13. colojedi7

    colojedi7 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Do we know if Luke is aware of his father's origins and his "Chosen One" status? I am curious because that would place even more burden on Luke because he is the son of Anakin the son of the Force.[face_thinking]
     
  14. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think he found out about his father's status as the Chosen One in Outbound Flight.
     
  15. Daft-Vader

    Daft-Vader Chosen One star 8

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    I am slightly confused, Outbound Flight happened about ten years before Luke was born???
     
  16. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    D'oh. I meant Survivor's Quest.
     
  17. Master_Jedi_LS

    Master_Jedi_LS Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Did any of watch the first movie? Anakins mom SAYS THERE WASN'T A FATHER AND THAT HE WAS IMMACUlATELY CONCEPTED. So unless he is Jesus I would say that I was created bythe Force.
     
  18. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    He ain't Jesus, that's for sure.
     
  19. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Of course, proponents of Plagueis creating Anakin don't contest that. They would merely say that Plagueis caused the midis to conceive him immaculately rather than the will of the Force.
     
  20. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    IMMACUlATELY CONCEPTED

    You keep using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.
     
  21. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    I think it means Plagueis washed his hands real good before he got started.
     
  22. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yes, but neither Jesus nor Anakin were immaculately conceived.
     
  23. Qui-Gon_Reborn

    Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Can we adress why Anakin was not immaculately conceived without placing a religious light upon the topic?
     
  24. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Immaculate conception is a piece of Catholic theology that refers to the dogmatic position that the Virgin Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin.

    Note: The Virgin Mary. People often erroneously believe it refers to Jesus. It doesn't.

    Anakin is not the product of an immaculate conception because the concept of original sin does not exist in any Star Wars religion, and certainly not the Jedi.
     
  25. Qui-Gon_Reborn

    Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, partly the reason why I made my statement above is that the concept was adopted by other world mythologies prior to Catholocism, so that the definition of the term is an uncertain one.
     
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