TCW Episode The Clone Wars - 5.14 - Eminence - discussion thread

Dark Lord Tarkas · Dark Lord Tarkas, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Dark Lord Tarkas said: ↑

It's one of the Death Watch talking to Vizsla, not Vizsla talking, and the quote is "Sir, the Hutts have escaped, except one." He doesn't just say there's only one Hutt left which would leave open the possibility that all the others are dead as you suggest, he specifies all the others escaped. So the two on Tatooine are not the only ones left as Darth Maul says.

So...anybody got an explanation for this?

ImNotAStarWarsFanboy · Jan 25, 2013

They're off shot.

Thank you, Fanboy.

You're welcome, Tarkus.

Jordan1Kenobi · Jan 25, 2013

Dark Lord Tarkas said: ↑

Dark Lord Tarkas said: ↑

It's one of the Death Watch talking to Vizsla, not Vizsla talking, and the quote is "Sir, the Hutts have escaped, except one." He doesn't just say there's only one Hutt left which would leave open the possibility that all the others are dead as you suggest, he specifies all the others escaped. So the two on Tatooine are not the only ones left as Darth Maul says.

So...anybody got an explanation for this?

They all escaped when the Bounty Hunters distracted Maul, Savage and Death Watch. On Nal Hutta there was only one left meaning the others escaped, but on Tatooine, Jabba and the other Hutt at Jabba's Palace were the only ones left meaning there's no guards left to protect them.

Dark Lord Tarkas · Dark Lord Tarkas, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:00 AM

@Jordan1Kenobi Even going with that interpretation of the line, it makes the line itself work, but the plot hole is still there. If almost all the Hutts on Nal Hutta survived, how can it fall to Jabba alone to make the decision for all of them? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having a Hutt council?

Seerow · Jan 25, 2013

Dark Lord Tarkas said: ↑

@Jordan1Kenobi Even going with that interpretation of the line, it makes the line itself work, but the plot hole is still there. If almost all the Hutts on Nal Hutta survived, how can it fall to Jabba alone to make the decision for all of them? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having a Hutt council?

I figure because Jabba is the only Hutt that Maul is able to find. Remember that funny exchange, "The best you can tell me is I can find Jabba at Jabba's palace?" when Maul had that one Hutt by a lightsaber blade after the rest escaped. Later at the palace Maul and DW killed the guards leaving just Jabba. He seemed defenseless to Maul so he said his line. That was probably an underestimation on Maul's part. I figured Jabba has power and persuasion to make the decision to cooperate with Maul, particularly since Jabba didn't really surrender. He laughed and was like, "Ok, your a powerful guy and that may benefit me if the Republic doesn't stomp your ass in a week. We'll play ball."

V-2 · V-2, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Didn't we see some Hutts getting shot and set on fire?

Dark Lord Tarkas · Jan 25, 2013

Seerow said: ↑

Dark Lord Tarkas said: ↑

@Jordan1Kenobi Even going with that interpretation of the line, it makes the line itself work, but the plot hole is still there. If almost all the Hutts on Nal Hutta survived, how can it fall to Jabba alone to make the decision for all of them? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having a Hutt council?

I figure because Jabba is the only Hutt that Maul is able to find. Remember that funny exchange, "The best you can tell me is I can find Jabba at Jabba's palace?" when Maul had that one Hutt by a lightsaber blade after the rest escaped. Later at the palace Maul and DW killed the guards leaving just Jabba. He seemed defenseless to Maul so he said his line. That was probably an underestimation on Maul's part. I figured Jabba has power and persuasion to make the decision to cooperate with Maul, particularly since Jabba didn't really surrender. He laughed and was like, "Ok, your a powerful guy and that may benefit me if the Republic doesn't stomp your ass in a week. We'll play ball."

So Jabba can make decisions for the entire Hutt council if he happens to be the only Hutt that Darth Maul can find at the moment? I don't see the logic of that. If every Hutt but one escaped Nal Hutta alive, Jabba should not be able to make that decision by himself. And that was the case.

V-2 said: ↑

Didn't we see some Hutts getting shot and set on fire?

I already gave the direct quote. All the Hutts on Nal Hutta escaped except for one. Almost all of the Hutt council is alive. And I can't imagine their ships lack communication functions.

Todd the Jedi · Todd the Jedi, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Frankly I was amazed any Hutts got away, Fast slugs.

07jonesj · 07jonesj, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:40 PM

I like episodes like this that are entirely from the bad guys' perspective. We need more of them I think, it really builds up your villains, and makes them a credible threat. It also makes the enemies seem clever, and forward-thinking, rather than getting defeated every time we see them.

KenobiSkywalker · KenobiSkywalker, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:04 PM

07jonesj said: ↑

I like episodes like this that are entirely from the bad guys' perspective. We need more of them I think, it really builds up your villains, and makes them a credible threat. It also makes the enemies seem clever, and forward-thinking, rather than getting defeated every time we see them.

I agree. We especially need episodes like that with the CIS.

CT-867-5309 · CT-867-5309, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Well, when the CIS and Republic wanted to negotiate for rights to travel through Hutt space in the TCW movie, they went to Jabba....

but I agree, and I think it's another example of us putting more thought into this than the people at TCW.

Was watching Ahnold today, and thought of this:

Viszla: Maul! What is best in life?
Maul: To crush Kenobi, to see him driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of his wimmin.

LAJ_FETT · LAJ_FETT, May 1, 2013 at 11:16 AM

We had this one tonight. After the dire droid episodes this was a breath of fresh air. Enjoyed it immensely.

hlc88 · hlc88, May 1, 2013 at 12:09 PM

LAJ_FETT said: ↑

We had this one tonight. After the dire droid episodes this was a breath of fresh air. Enjoyed it immensely.

Got it recorded... am going to watch all 3 in one go.

LAJ_FETT · May 2, 2013

I'm gonna do that with the final four on Saturday. I've been recording the new episodes but watching at the same time since they're on at 6:30 PM. I'll watch the final four at my leisure.

Seerow · Seerow, May 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM

This is one arc that like Umbara and Rako Hardeen is best watched together, IMO. It flows better that way. Still I'd be hesitant to watch them all together without watching individual episodes separately first. I think that's one of the things that caused Young Jedi to end badly for me.

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