TCW Episode The Clone Wars - 5.18 - The Jedi Who Knew Too Much - discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Seerow, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. Spazmatron Jedi Master

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    But the plot demands it...

    Isn't that a good enough reason?
  2. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    They could always just skip the explanation like they did when they brought back Maul.
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  3. 07jonesj Force Ghost

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    They did explain how Maul survived: He really hates Obi-Wan. ;)
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  4. Seerow SWTV★Manager

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    I'll post the grading thread for this episode tonight. Sorry for the delay.
  5. Dan_Grievous_Tikkes_Fan Force Ghost

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    Why not Barriss?! She has always been used on the show as a mirror version of what Ahsoka could be.
  6. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    Wut?

    How is bombing a Temple a mirror version of what Ahsoka could be?

    A better question than "why not" is "why", which I haven't seen an answer to.

    I have seen answers for "why not", and they're pretty obvious.

    "Why", however, is a complete mystery.
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  7. JackG Force Ghost

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    The plot does not demand it.
  8. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    So that's the whole "power to stop death" thing that Palpatine was talking about.
  9. ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Force Ghost

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    I think it was the Uncle who did it. He was conveniently out of the giant space obelisk when the gang visited Mortis. Does it make sense? It doesn't have to. It's Mortis.
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  10. JackG Force Ghost

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  11. ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Force Ghost

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  12. Dan_Grievous_Tikkes_Fan Force Ghost

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    HOW?! How?! .....

    Well, like in S2, now Barriss will be the mirror version of what Ahsoka could be. In S2 she was "What if Ahsoka was a quiet and obedient student?!"

    Now it would be "What if Ahsoka went rogue and evil on everybody?!"... THAT is what I mean. TCW is all about homages, "What if-s", foreshadows and tributes.
  13. Spazmatron Jedi Master

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    I was being sarcastic :/
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  14. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    Wut?

    Are you saying that TCW doesn't even treat Barriss as an actual character, they just use her to play out stupid little ideas they have for Ahsoka but throw out? If so, that's not what a mirror is and it's an unbelievably horrible use of a character, especially since this idea would contradict their previous idea.

    That's not what the word "mirror" means. It's not even close. Neither is "homage". "Foreshadow" and "tribute" doesn't really work, either. "What if" does in this case, I guess, but it would be a terrible use of that concept.

    Are you saying they compare and contrast Barriss and Ahsoka? Well, S2 showed an interesting contrast, but how the hell do you compare or contrast bombing the Jedi Temple with ANYTHING that Ahsoka has done. How is it at all similar, or an opposite, or a mirror image? It's not.

    I'm no expert on Ahsoka, I admit that. I'd like someone to come up with something (prior to this arc) that has anything to do with "Ahsoka" and "Jedi Temple bombing". Or the opposite of that, or a mirror image of that.

    While we're at it, it would be cool if someone could come up with some explanation for Barriss bombing the Temple that doesn't involve something as stupid as treating the character as a variable in-universe "what if" tool.

    To be clear, this isn't a challenge to the death, it's a request.

    Please.
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  15. 07jonesj Force Ghost

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    That's not what Barriss' role was in Season 2. Her role was to show what an obedient Jedi padawan was like, it was not portraying what Ahsoka would be like if she were a completely different character. The contrast was done deliberately, but it wasn't a What If?

    You mean like in Mortis? Or like how she's being framed right now? How is Barriss committing a bombing on the Jedi Temple in any way asking the specific question, "What if Ahsoka went rogue?". It's asking, "What if a Jedi went rogue?", but definitely not specifically referring to Ahsoka.

    Simply put, if they use Barriss, they've used it as a feeble attempt for audience reaction. It doesn't fit her character, in either the show or the EU. They could've introduced an OC, or introduced a character last season that was headstrong, and likely to do something like this.
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  16. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    Ventress I could buy, if begrudgingly. She's crazy and hates the Jedi Order. I thought she put some of that behind her, but it's not something that would just be totally out of left field.
  17. ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Force Ghost

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    Surely she'd hate the Separatists way more than the Jedi? The Jedi didn't screw her over in the way that Dooku did.

    None of the existing characters make sense as the culprit to me.
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  18. Spazmatron Jedi Master

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    Yes... For once they actually are doing a really good job of making everyone think...
  19. ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Force Ghost

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  20. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    Ventress never cared about the Republic or the Separatists. Dooku would be highest on her **** list, though.

    There might still be some residual anger toward the Jedi Order for what she thought of as abandoning her. That and the fact that she's kinda crazy makes it in the realm of possibility that she could see the Temple and say "**** that place" and bomb it, not unlike my own porn bombing of LACWAC, or be willing to bomb it for money.
  21. AkashKedavra_93 Emperor of the Seven Realms and the First Dragons

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    The Jedi abandoned Ky Narec, she doesn't remember that too fondly...
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  22. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Just a thought, and I'm honestly not picking on anyone here because I don't think that the several of you are the only ones who had this reaction, but...

    I'm starting to find it hilarious the lengths to which people are jumping to conclusions.

    "Barriss is here. Barriss hasn't been here since season 2. Barriss lost a friend in the bombing. Therefore, Barriss must be the bomber. While we're at it, let's count the ways this could possibly happen."

    Really? :oops: As people have said already, whether she is grieving and disgruntled with the war or not, Barriss being the bomber would be so far out of character that it would be ridiculous. Not saying that hasn't been done in TCW, but it would be ridiculous.

    I think bombing the Temple would be out of character for Ventress too. I could see Dooku doing it but that would be way too obvious.
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  23. Darth Ibonek Jedi Grand Master

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    Quit with all the fuss, y'all. We all know it's Quinlan Vos.
  24. 07jonesj Force Ghost

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    He just lit up to smoke his drugs, and half of the Temple went up! :p
  25. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    You're probably right, Barriss was probably just in turmoil over the whole situation, not unlike how many of us felt after 9/11.

    I think the reason the suspicion of Barriss redlined was because of her unexpected reaction, her face was twisting in emotion every two seconds, and questioning herself and the Jedi ideal.

    She also had a bit of a "shifty eyes" moment after Ahsoka left. That's a classic way to point at a character, but it could have been an intentional red herring.
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    EDIT: That and it's TCW, so you expect the worst.
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