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Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 119: Storm Over Ryloth Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Garth Maul, Feb 25, 2009.

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  1. Subach

    Subach Jedi Youngling star 1

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    According to wook, the squadron was down 6 at the end of engagement with the Malevolence, with three fighters and their crews destroyed (six clones) and three fighters disabled, which is really quite reasonable losses for the significant strategic victory achieved in disabling the ability of the Malevolence to continue its offensive.


    On the V-19's design, I personally love it far more than the ARC-19, which looks chunky and as graceful as a cow, to me at least.
    There's just something wrong about those stubby little s-foils, and those MASSIVE engines, and the cannons look silly, too.
     
  2. AhsokaMiro

    AhsokaMiro Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I actually really like the V-19's, but I hate their names. "Torrent Fighter" just makes me think of FLAC files and soundboard recordings. The way the ships look, I'd think they could quite sensibly be called "M-Wings", but no big deal.

    Very good episode, I thought. Good new villain, good interaction between Anakin and Ahsoka (dialogue, animation and acting-wise), great space battle stuff... totally solid. And the rest of the arc looks great, too.

    Yularen seems like such a noble guy. How he gets to (and feels about) sitting on the Death Star Board of Directors would be an interesting story...

    Also, nice ESB nod during the droid commanders' holoconference!
     
  3. Avian005

    Avian005 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    This is one of my favorite episode to date. I loved the interaction(s) with Anakin and Ahsoka, the new bead guy, and the amzing action sequence.

    Part 1 of 3...Done.
    Part 2 of 3...no, you have to wait! No!!!
    Part 3 of 3...hairing with Part 2 or later?
     
  4. Subach

    Subach Jedi Youngling star 1

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    "Torrent" actually brings me the awesome image of a torrential rain of fire shredding clankers to bits.


    Also, why did the Seps invade Ryloth, anyway?
     
  5. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    Haven't you ever seen those twi'lek dancers?
     
  6. XCell

    XCell Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Bland episode. The new villain looks like the only thing that was interesting (another villain with an accent though?). But more recycled morals and situations that have been done dozens of times already, and done here in the typical, expected way.. Come on, give us something different. Give us some surprises, suspense, more character development and emotion. Kids can like that stuff too you know, you can have these things along with Jar Jar shenanigans and idiot battle droids.
     
  7. Avian005

    Avian005 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Their dancing and those lekku...
     
  8. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    I love that Mar Tuuk wanted to learn more about the enemy commander he was facing.. It reminds me of Patton when Rommel and the other Nazi generals wanted to learn all they could about General Patton.
    Or how about Patton himself:
    ?Skywalker, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!?

    On the V-19's design, I personally love it far more than the ARC-19, which looks chunky and as graceful as a cow, to me at least.
    There's just something wrong about those stubby little s-foils, and those MASSIVE engines, and the cannons look silly, too.

    Agreed, I don?t like the ARC. Too clunky to dogfight to me. Now, if we start seeing some V-Wings on the other hand?

    Also, why did the Seps invade Ryloth, anyway?
    The webcomic set that up: Basically, one of the Sep. Councilmen, Argente, has a secret stash here. Tambor, Argente?s rival, decides to invade Ryloth as a big, personal middle finger. Also the planet is rich and easily taken, but the rivalry thing bumped it up to the top of the list.
     
  9. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    That could work really well, actually. If they keep Mar Tuuk around as a recurring villain Anakin faces off with occasionally, they could have continual tactical battles trying to outwit one another. Sometimes one or the other could win, with the outcome unexpected every time.

    Tambor's such a perv...:p
     
  10. koonfan

    koonfan Jedi Knight star 4

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    Loved the episode. Very top notch animation, and they've come a long way in maturing the characters and developments, I think. It's good to see Ahsoka having a realistic bout of self doubt, and the other characters were great, too. Especially liked the new villain. We've got us another military expert who's living and his mannerisms are great. Somehow, I wish they got David Hyde Pierce to voice him and that they ramped up some obsessive compulsive habits. Cleaning his seat in the Lucrehulk before sitting comes to mind. XD

    Not as hard hitting on me as the Maridun arc (as I'm a feel-good junky:p) , but it's good to see that they're able to portray doubt and development, or at least are willing to try. Hope to see some more of these peppered onto the upcoming seasons!

    I agree with Gry that the episode would have benefited from more time to build things up and expand on action, but ah well. What can you do? XD

    On an aside, I actually like the V-19s. They're pretty exotic for mass produced army fighters and look cool and nimble. The ARC-170 is cool, too, but has a different appeal. V-19s are more like awesome looking bikes, while the ARC-170 has a 'clunky but tough as nails muscle car' feel.
     
  11. Fettclone1

    Fettclone1 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    QFT
     
  12. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    I think the problem I have with the V-19 is that when it's flying it looks very unbalanced. Both wings and the big fin hang under the cockpit, giving it a wacky center of balance. The only thing I can compare it to is the B-Wing, but if you think about it, we never really saw that ship in action. Don't get me wrong, I like the design quite a bit, it's just someting about its balance that irks me.

    As for the ARC-170, I like the overall heavy look. Though I think that those "residual" S-foils are a bit of a forced X-Wing reference.
     
  13. SoonerSean

    SoonerSean Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I watched that episode again this afternoon and the loss of the clones hits Anakin hard. As you'll recall they were heading for the bridge to try and kill Grievous, but under withering fire Ahsoka has to plead with Anakin to realize that they're the only ones that have a chance b/c the other pilots aren't going to survive. Anakin finally agrees and decides to destroy the ion weapon instead (after Plo recommends it).

    At the end of the episode Anakin acts much like Ahsoka did in that he regrets the loss of so many of his pilots.
     
  14. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Hah-ha! My "someone over there really loves The Last Starfighter" theory from Destroy Malevolence & Rookies was right! :D

    I'm glad the episode guide is as pleased as I am to see that Neimoidian viewscreen effect return :)


    The Episode Commentary also says Ahsoka's little manuever here was taken from the Thrawn novels- which is both cool and amusing, as when she was laying it out I was thinking "that seems like something Thrawn would do". ha!

     
  15. WedgeWalker

    WedgeWalker Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Good to see The Last Starfighter getting some love.

    "What do we do??"
    "We die."
     
  16. Ashoka

    Ashoka Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Personally, I felt more Character Development of Ahsoka here, She actually felt sorry for the Clones - she met the real brutality of War, instead of how she was happy-go-lucky in the movie, wanting to get going! She made it seem like War was fun. This turned 180 Degrees after she lost most of her Squadron. I hope that continues in Season 2. It's good character development there!

    Clones... Rex, the Clone Officer - we see they have been affected by Anakin's lead, they were frantic - yet they are supposed to be professional, trained, individual, skillful! That little bit of indirect character development would be interesting in terms of how it will continue.


    And I liked how the Republic lost initially, and I certainly thought Anakin using a Star Destroyer to crash on the enemy ship was something new, haven't seen that in any episodes yet ;)

    And Ahsoka reading Thrawn's Books! (Well... Dave...) - That was just amazing, how it was dragged to the episode! "Good Man, that Dave!"
     
  17. O_C

    O_C Jedi Youngling

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    Let's count. 3 Venators, therefore 576 V-19s. Even at half complement that's 288 fighters. They attack with a single squadron. And they can't launch any fighters to intercept the vulture droids. Apparently there are no alert fighter either. Huh. And they don't escort their the Y-wings during the attack nor launch any interceptors to defend their last Venator. Never mind that the principle design of the Venator is as a carrier with a ventral hanger bay designed primarily for rapid fighter launch. And it is a heck of a of cheaper to manufacture lots of fighters rather then capital ships. If the Republic can afford to send 3 capital ships, it can afford to send at least 200 fighters.

    Who's the crackpot in charge again?

    If Anakin came up with the original plan, he's an idiot.

    And suicide attacks on bridges is quite useful. But remember that many space based shows are rather idiotic in designing ships with capital ship bridges easily targeted. That includes Star Wars, Star Trek (at least Klingons and Starfleet), Space Above and Beyond and whole host of others. Even Babylon 5's human ships have idiotic bridge placement. At least the Minbari aren't morons in placing their bridges in the heart of their ships.
     
  18. O_C

    O_C Jedi Youngling

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    How do you park one of those things when the wings are blocking everything on your sides?
     
  19. O_C

    O_C Jedi Youngling

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    Well, the V-19 looks like a balanced choice between a capable fighter and cost. Remember that it does pack some damage in its concussion missiles therefore giving it far more punch then a V-wing. However, ARC-160s look really expensive not to mention losing one of those means you lose three clones which in itself is expensive. So they provide some light bomber capacity with fighter capabilities at a decent cost without risking too many clones. It is ugly though. But if ugly wins the war, ugly ain't so bad. A-10 thunderbolt for example. Hideous looking plane. Absolutely perfect ground support/anti-tank platform.
     
  20. Berkyjay

    Berkyjay Jedi Youngling

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    Just to be nitpicky, the ARC-170's are technically Advanced Recon fighters....thus the ARC. They aren't meant to be dog fighters. They are meant to fly in ahead of the fleet, take a pounding, give a pounding, then get out. The design was very well thought out. Also, they are supposed to be the predescessor of the X-Wing, thus the s-foils and massive engines.
     
  21. O_C

    O_C Jedi Youngling

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    Well, sorta. Before Lucas went all "screw history," Z-95 Headhunters were the predecessor of X-wings. And the ARC-170 appears to fulfill the same role as Recon X-wings. They can fight, it's just not their primary function.
     
  22. Subach

    Subach Jedi Youngling star 1

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    "Torrent" actually brings me the awesome image of a torrential rain of fire shredding clankers to bits.


    Also, why did the Seps invade Ryloth, anyway?
     
  23. Mustafar_66

    Mustafar_66 Force Ghost star 6

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    'Storm Over Ryloth' is probably the best episode of the series so far in my opinion. It had everything I could pretty much ask for in an episode: Anakin acting like not only a leader, but a proper Master to Ahsoka, Ahsoka getting some decent characterisation, fleet action (I'm a fleet junkie, it has to be said) and best of all a decent villain that lives past the end of the episode. Can't wait for parts 2 and 3!
     
  24. Subach

    Subach Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ah, crud.

    I didn't know how this happened...could a mod fix this, please?
     
  25. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Liked this episode quite abit.

    Definitely liked the sudden awkwardness when Ahsoka is briefing the clones and the one makes it blindingly obvious that it's Anakin the clones trust, not her. Best "Uhhh....this is awkward" in Star Wars in a long time.

    Also liked the crack addict-mouth Sep villain. His little eyepiece doohickey was neat.

     
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