Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I just took a screenie from my ROTS DVD.

 

Spectacular episode!

This is what the Ryloth trilogy could have been.

Didn't really mind the kill-count banter, didn't really like it, either.

 

Is anyone else disappointed with this episode like I am? Someone above compared it to Ryloth; well at the very least Storm Over Ryloth was much better - you actually had some character development within the episode. In that case, it was Ahsoka taking her first command and failing, but trying again and succeeding.

Really, what happened in this episode? Nothing. Some stuff blew up. No characters grew or learned any lessons. There wasn't a moral lesson in the episode.

Landing and Point Rain also didn't have any Separatist bad guy - every story needs a villain. Yes, of course there are the seperatists and Dooku and Sidious himself, but they were marginally present during this episode.

This whole episode was like watching the Battle of Geonosis in Attack of the Clones, or the Wookie battles in Revenge of the Sith or the invasion of Utapau. Big faceless army squaring off against another big faceless army. Boring.

Honestly, this episode felt like watching the worst elements of the prequels, minus Jar Jar. It`s a step backwards.

 

This is the sequence from THE LONGEST DAY on which the assault is based.

 

I completely completely disagree with that.

This is what this episode was supposed to be about, guns and explosions. Not every episode needs to have a moral lesson.

This was supposed to be good old fun with explosions and guns, which it was. Just relax and have a good time and try not to look to much into it like you did.

 

Yes. As much as I would have appreciated a little more depth or twists to the episode, it's very very fine as it is. This is a weekly series, so what we don't get one episode, we can have the next. For a wall-to-wall action episode, we did get some good character moments, like the initial briefing with Luminara chastising the other Jedi, Anakin's "here and now" speech and, best of all, Obi-Wan touching last stand before the air strike.

 

Indeed...this is after all 'The Clone Wars'.

 

Yeah, moments are the key here, and they do work mostly in this format. There's development, where they face something and develop from it or show a new side to them, and then there are just moments, where a character shows the stuff we know and love about them...Han Solo and Luke shooting down TIE Fighters? Did ABSOLUTELY nothing except show that Leia isn't REALLY a snob. We know Luke craves adventure, we know Han's a lovable rogue...the scene simply serves to deliver explosions, excitement, and displays of character traits, when a peaceful exit would probably have given Luke more time to grieve for Ben. At least from my point of view. XD

Of course, I DO believe that we NEED development over the course of the show, since if nobody learns anything, it's going to look like a bad popcorn flick...but this is Star Wars, which, no matter how much some of us may deny it, practically thrives on action, adventure, and characters showing us what they can do.

I'm glad that Star Wars relies on its (mostly) likable characters as well as its adventure, rather than just more stuff blowing up.

 

Yeah, I always wonder why they just didnt' just jump into hyperspace right after leaving the Death Star.


I didn't notice until I heard it in the Forcecast review of the episode that Waxer and Boyle had an outline of the Twilek girl they met in Ryloth on the side of their helmets! Nice touch.

I noticed that the Republic gunships have the side ball turrets back! They were missing in Season one.

 

EU NOW! EU NOW! EU NOW! EU NOW! EU NOW! EU NOW!

Lucas: ORDER!!!!

LOL XD

 

sweet!

looked everywhere for that. cheers uncle owen

 

Yeah, fighters have kill counts all the time. Because fighter pilots are much more detached from the damage they cause. Not to mention, they mark destroying an aircraft, not necessarily killing the people in the plane.

Keeping count of how many people you kill, up close with a sword no less, is more than a little different.

They just didn't do a full occupation of the planet afterwards it seems.
They did actually. Some preview material mentioned that the Geonisians had a large scale rebellion and defeated the occupation forces.

Actually, they mention it at the beginning of the episode.

 

Remember though that a jedi is supposed to be a warrior monk that constantly thinks about their impact on life and the force, just because there are a few inches of steel between Obi and the droids/pilots that he is killing doesn't mean that he should feel relieved about what he is doing.

 

Landing and Point Rain also didn't have any Separatist bad guy - every story needs a villain. Yes, of course there are the seperatists and Dooku and Sidious himself, but they were marginally present during this episode.


Since it's an episodic show about a galactic war, I don't think you need the main villains in it all the time. The stories are told from the perspective of the good guys mostly so it seems that in such a large conflict with varied missions they wouldn't really come into contact with the main villains very often. It's probably disadvantageous since it may lessen the impact of their major appearances - ie the more they fight Dooku directly, the less remarkable their encounters in the films seem. So they should probably use the less well known villains - as the have done with characters like Wat Tambor and now Poggle - or make up new characters like Mar Tuuk. But then equally there should be episodes like LAPR where you mostly see it from the good guys' perspective as they go up against the ordinary enemy forces with no main villain, since that would seemingly be more akin to a realistic war scenario. The Jedi are generals, yet if they're on the front lines then the majority of the time they'll be facing ordinary soldiers and the story need not contain any input from the big enemy leaders.

 

Three words:

Best. Episode. Ever.

 

Hi there, I'm new to the Force.net so my apologies in advance if I've missed anything posted earlier tied to my questions.

For me, this episode is currently my favorite in the Clone Wars CGI series.

I've become obsessed with Commander Jet & his troops' helmet (the "ear muff" one someone had stated earlier when I was doing a search thru here). Has anyone discussed the possibility this is a next generation helmet based on the Republic Commando helmets? Regardless, I can't wait for when the action figure version of this comes out! And it looks like Jet's troops has the specialist flamethrower guys assigned with a "flame retardent", I guess, version of the snowtrooper armor. Can't wait for that to be released in action figure form as well.

The other question I have is if there's already a nose art thread going on I can be kindly pointed to, please? This episode showed several more and I'm becoming obsessive as well on checking out any and all forms of that in the Clone Wars series.

 

I am angry about the use of flame throwers. It does not befit a "hero" character to use such a weapon against flesh and blood. I think that it is especially horrible in a TV-series like this which is marketed to children. Death by flames is a horrible, painful death. Flame-throwers are not used by modern armies in the real world.

I was sickened by the images. My image of the clones, the Jedi, and especially of the character Ki-Adi Mundi is tainted now. Lucasfilm is playing up the moral messages that they think that they are putting into this series, but that is just hypocricy if they put images like this.

I am boycotting Clone Wars from now on, and I encourage others to do the same.

 

How is showing that war is a terrible thing hypocricy? Just because the Jedi and clones are fighting for the greater good does not mean that warfare is suddenly honourable and clean for them. If the heroes were massacering innocent colonies or even stabbing unaware combatants in the back then you would have a point, but how you deduce this from the use of flamethrowers is more than a little silly.

And I wouldn't say TCW is advertised towards children. It's on at 9:00 in the evening, after most children's bed time, and the merchandising is no more extreme than that of ROTS, which if you remember has Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to burn to death in a much more horrific scene than what you see here.

I really think that you are overstating the damaging effects of the scene myself, given how briefly it's on screen and how tame it is compared to something like Cad Bane's interrogation.

 

This is a complete joke post and I am literally laughing in my chair right now.

 

Well this is funny. This thread is almost a complete turnaround from the Senate Spy Thread.

Anyone says anything negative here, and the loyalists mob them!

Its quite amusing to read.

 

1: I loved senate spy so I don't know if you are including me in that loyalist mob.
2: The above was an attack on the entire show, not just the episode. And I feel that boycotting an entire TV show over what isn't even that bad a sequence is something I had to respond to.

 

Not really. He said to "boycott" a show over one sequence that took about 9 seconds of the episode. Which is quite hilarious.

His post deserved to be laughed at.

 

It wasn't just that post, just the attitude of the thread in general. Notice how anything negative is being shot down here? And then how anything positive was being torn apart in the Senate Spy thread? I find the reversal humorous.

 

Well, I guess there's nothing surprising about that. Sounds like a normal raction to an episode that's been generally regarded as very good, as opposed to one that's been generally regarded as pretty horrible. People cheer what they like and boo what they don't. I don't see the humour there. It's as easy to counter criticism of a great episode as it is to counter praise of a crappy one.

 

Maybe it is where you live, but not where I am. Season 2 has not appeared over here "officially"... but, season one was shown on sunday mornings, with a re-run on sunday afternoon.
Clone Wars-branded merchandise is sold in toy stores and candy stores and advertized together with Kid's Meal on Burger King. The Clone Wars movie was dubbed in the local language over here, which only kids movies are - all other movies are subtitled with the original audio intact.
So how are children not the target demographic?

Not at all. I am serious.

I don't normally catch "moral hysteria". There have been other points in the series that I have found somewhat objectionable, but this takes the prize. I am not complaining about the violence in itself, or that they are showing the horribleness of war. I think that children need to learn about it. What I am complaining about is that cruelty is conducted by "hero" characters and labeled as "good" together with all the other self-righteous ideals that this show contains.