The Clone Wars: Episode 213: Voyage of Temptation Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

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  1. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS SPOILERS FOR EPISODES 214 OR LATER IN THIS THREAD.

    Use the General Discussion (Spoilers Allowed) thread for any discussion beyond Episode 213!


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    "Fear not for the future, weep not for the past."

    Synopsis: As the Jedi and their clones defend Duchess Satine from assassination attempts, Anakin discovers that Obi-Wan and the Duchess have a history together.

    Director: Brian Kalin O'Connell
    Writer: Paul Dini
    Supervising Writer: Henry Gilroy
    Key Characters: Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Duchess Satine Kryze, Senator Tal Merrik, Clone Commander Cody, Clone Captain Rex, R2-D2

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    Obi-Wan Kenobi's Past Resurfaces The Clone Wars

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    Reunited with a former flame while on a mission of vital importance to the war effort, Obi-Wan Kenobi must defend his convictions and fight for his beliefs -- even though taking up arms drives him further from the woman he once loved. The Mandalorian saga takes a personal turn in "Voyage of Temptation," an all-new episode of Star Wars: The Clone Wars airing at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT Friday, February 5 on Cartoon Network.

    Traveling to Coruscant aboard the palatial royal vessel of the beautiful Duchess Satine Kryze of Mandalore, Obi-Wan and Anakin discover a plot to assassinate the powerful political figure before she reaches her destination. As the Jedi and their clones fight to protect the Duchess from a deadly cargo of assassin droids, Anakin discovers that his former Master has a history with the Mandalorian emissary -- and that the elder Jedi is not without personal attachments of his own.

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    "I always wondered what would happen if Obi-Wan had been put in the same position as Anakin -- specifically meeting and falling in love with a woman," says series writer Henry Gilroy. "Would he be able to maintain his vow to the Jedi at the cost of true love? We know how Anakin dealt with this, but how would Obi-Wan fare against the same temptation? I think a lot of people have had relationships that never really got a chance to flourish, and there's always that 'what if...' sort of feeling. Even people in healthy, happy relationships ponder their old flames and think about what might have been. I think it really broadens Obi-Wan as a character. He's revealed as a man -- someone we relate to because he has romantic feelings like the rest of us, even though he's a Jedi."

    Of course, the vows of the Jedi Order are not taken lightly, and it takes a truly remarkable woman to turn the head and test the heart of Obi-Wan Kenobi. Resolute in her own pacifist ideologies, Satine provides a counterpoint to Obi-Wan's notions of peace-keeping and conflict resolution; together, the two consistently challenge one another, each steadfast in their respective beliefs. It is this mutual respect which draws them together, even as their convictions keep them apart.

    "Satine's a formidable woman in all regards -- extremely intelligent, incorruptible, passionate and beautiful, with a great devotion to peace. She might come off as stuffy, but that is because she knows she's in a den of wolves and must appear powerful and unshakable," Gilroy says. "Throughout history, some of the most powerful figures -- like Gandhi and Dr. King -- were pacifists who literally changed the world by refusing to fight. There's so much fighting in The Clone Wars; when someone is brave enough to speak up to try and stop it, that voice becomes like a light in the darkness, strong and memorable. Satine's resolved to always use peaceful means to end conflicts. The Jedi are peacekeepers, but they carry swords; if they have to use violence to end conflict, they will. That's unacceptable to Satine; she believes that if you bring a weapon to negotiations, you don't want peace. So, she's upset that the Jedi have allowed themselves to be drawn into the war, because it is everything that they are supposed to be against. These are two people who are involved in very important work. He's a Jedi Knight, protecting the galaxy. She's a powerful political leader that her people rely on. Which one of them is going to give up their job or identity? That's always a tough question."
  3. Sinrebirth SWC and EUC Forum Moderator

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    Though this role for Obi-Wan has been largely fulfilled by whatever-her-name was, I suppose it can't hurt to have another woman in Kenobi's life - because at the end of the day he had stuck with the Order and left her. But this could be exceptionally interesting. I certainly hope that the Mandalorian Saga continues to kick up a gear - as Duchess Satine running to Coruscant just after a Death Watch attack is not going to look good. Mwhahahaha!

    Go Seppies!

    :D
  4. Lugija Force Ghost

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    So this episode is Snakes on Plane with love story? I like how episodes have different themes even when they are in same arc.

    And we'll see episode 14 next week, then? That's good for me, four weeks without new episodes would have been too much.
  5. SidoDyas Force Ghost

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    Based off the writing credits, this is probably production number 121.
  6. Asharak Force Ghost

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    This episode looks good, but I find myself much more interested in part 3, which we so far have seen no images from.

    I?m pretty certain they are showing both part 2 and 3 this Friday.

    "Based off the writing credits, this is probably production number 121. "

    Why? And if that?s true, that could mean that part 3 was perhaps produced as part of the s3 batch of episodes.
  7. Robimus Force Ghost

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    I'm kinda dissapointed that we're already moving away from Mandalore.
  8. Chewgumma Chosen One

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    Satine and Obi-Wan's past seems to be bubbling to the fore in this episode! Goodey!:D It's one of the main reasons I've been looking forward to this arc. And this is the first episode for three weeks with a clone in it![face_dancing]
  9. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    Mace Windu should have been in this episode.

    Fed up with assassin probes on the starship.
  10. Chewgumma Chosen One

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    "Get these mother-lovin' droids off my mother-lovin' starship!!!"

    [face_laugh]
  11. SidoDyas Force Ghost

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    From what I have gathered, Henry Gilroy and Paul Dini only wrote for season 1. The only episode produced during season 1 that we have not yet seen is number 121. If I am right, that means the season 2 episodes produced during season 1 are the following:

    113. Cargo of Doom
    121. Voyage of Temptation
    123. Holocron Heist

    Of course, we won't know until Friday. As for episodes produced during season 3, I think it is possible we could see at least one late in season 2 if one or more episodes are delayed like last season.
  12. Asharak Force Ghost

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    But that seams really unlikely since part 1 was produced as episode 2.13. That?s a pretty large gap.
  13. Lugija Force Ghost

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    Not much bigger than between Cargo of Doom (1.13) and Children of the Force (2.03).
    There could be any reason why the production numbers are so far off each other (synopsis changing almost fully or something) and this does not look like season 1 episode in animation, as didn't CoD.
  14. FistoFan93 Jedi Grand Master

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    Judging from the preview video, this is production number 1.21. You can really see the difference between season 1 and 2 anakin.
  15. Valairy Scot Chosen One

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    I want to know why Satine is shown holding a weapon - I thought she was peace at all costs.
  16. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    Well, I didn't watch the preview video because I don't want to be spoiled, but the photos in this thread look to be S2 quality to me.

    Also, excited about the Dini/Gilroy combo.


    With respect to leaving Mandalore, I'm not really sure how they could stay there. The jig is up, so to speak, and they need the Republic to come down hard on the Death Watch.

    Apparently the next episode, "Duchess of Mandalore", deals with On Coruscant, Duchess Satine is framed for the creation of a Mandalorian terrorist group. On the run from Republic authorities, Satine and Obi-Wan set off to discover the group's true origins.

    This is going to be awesome.

    Also, the director is the same guy that did Children of the Force and Landing At Point Rain.
  17. Valairy Scot Chosen One

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    Oh, yes - I have high expectations for this episode; I loved Landing at Point Rain as it was crafted - quiet moments amongst mayhem. Fingers crossed.
  18. Asharak Force Ghost

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    Kalin O'Connell - Anybody else automatically here Jimmy Mac making his Irish voice impression :)
  19. FistoFan93 Jedi Grand Master

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    O'Connell is a great director. He also did the first two parts of the Malevolence trilogy and Trespass. He will also do the conclusion of this trilogy and ep. 215, senate murders.

    Strangely though, this is yet another episode where Anakin is not sided by his padawan, as he in all Season 1 episodes. Only just for this season, we've had Senate Spy, Legacy of Terror, Grievous Intrigue and now this one. And we've also had some episodes that had Ahsoka without Anakin: Brain Invaders, Lightsaber Lost. Are they getting bored of Ahsoka or the relationship she has with Anakin?

    Speaking of this episode, I love the involvement of Orn Free Taa and Onaconda Farr, and watch closely, this may be the last time we see Farr alive! I'm also anxious to learn something more about that purple-gowned senator we also saw in Hostage Crisis. This looks like an episode with a lot of answers.
  20. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    You'd think splitting up Anakin and Ahsoka was in response to fan comments, but since they've been working on S2 before S1 was even released, that's clearly not the case.

    I'm okay with it, at any rate.
  21. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    Thats a good thing Rob. If they move the story on its own path, it stands less chance of contradicting older material.

    Its a smart move, I believe.
  22. CloneUncleOwen Force Ghost

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    To the contrary... Ahsoka's character development is one the the primary plot elements of the series,
    however, it would get boring if it were employed in almost every episode, with or without Anakin.
    Some of the episodes being viewed now were written and/or put into production well over a year ago,
    so although fan feedback certainly is of value to Mr. Lucas, it has very little practical impact on what
    direction he wants to take regarding content or programming.

    Besides, there have to be new characters developed to produce new action figures. :)
  23. Shadow555 Jedi Knight

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    I really looking forward to seeing this episode. I've been waiting for this one to air ever since San Diego Comic Con last year when I saw the Season 02 Trailer on the official site. Duchess Satine is becoming an instant favorite in my book, joining the ranks of Cad Bane, Hondo Ohnaka a few other Characters that we have been introduced to in the series. I'm also looking forward to seeing more Obi-Wan action, that is something I loved about the last episode was that Obi-Wan played a major role in it. Overall I look forward to this episode.

    Oh, one question, in the latest Star Wars Insider, the one with the Mandos on the cover it says that there are two episodes on February 5th but it seems like the commercials are just advertising one episode. Which source is correct? Did something change? I need to know!
  24. ObiWanJedi93 Jedi Master

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    Can't wait for this! Satine is a great character. And having Obi-Wan's life fleshed out more always is a pleasure. Hopefully nothing bad will happen to Satine?
  25. fistofan1 Force Ghost

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    I'm pretty sure the two will be shown on different nights, judging by the solo preview and the fact that the Cartoon Network TV schedule has them seperate. I'm kind of happy they are doing it this way. While I liove double-airings, it would mean a month-long gap in new episodes. Also, I think it would be too soon of an end for such a great arc! :)
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