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Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 213: Voyage of Temptation Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Garth Maul, Feb 3, 2010.

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  1. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Boo.....Hiss....[face_devil]
     
  2. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Ah, another Obi-Wan and Anakin episode next week.
    I do hope season three will feature more of these types of episodes, and especially Rookies-type ones. :p

    Edit: A stunning discovery. :p

    [image=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/8/81/TalMerrickFate.jpg/873px-TalMerrickFate.jpg]

    [image=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/5/50/Argyus_death.jpg]

    Compare the two images and notice their similarities.
     
  3. Darth_Gamek

    Darth_Gamek Jedi Master star 6

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    Anyone want to wager that Satine DIES next episode, or sometime in the Clone Wars series?
     
  4. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    She had it coming to her. :p
     
  5. AhsokaMiro

    AhsokaMiro Jedi Youngling star 3

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    He can store whole nuna legs as well as fat in his four ear flaps.
    This is clearly what Filoni and Gilroy were talking about in a joint interview some time ago when asked what they thought was the closest they'd come to OT-level vibes, and they both agreed that there was one future story involving Obi-Wan that fit the bill.
     
  6. Slaign

    Slaign Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm surprised every time I see a new episode as dark as this one. I LOVE it, but it's shocking. To me, Star Wars has always been dark. We have multiple torture scenes (Leia on Death Star, Han on Cloud City, Droid in Jabba's Palace), a lot of dismemberment, the Charred corpses of the Lars family, multiple decapitations (Jango, Vader Illusion, Dooku, Clones), Multiple force lightning victims, and all of RotS. But it never feels gratuitous, and I feel the same about TCW. Still it surprises me that they get away with it.

    - Anakin stabs a dude through the heart. Yea, he's a bad guy, but he could have cut his arm off. No, the sound of an igniting saber would not have been enough for Merrik to hit the switch, as Anakin could have activated it mid swing with his Jedi senses, minimizing the warning. Further, he could have just activated it through his arm the same way he did his chest, then swiped it out.

    - A hostage situation at all, and further, it being reversed and all the tension of a trembling weapon, a quaking trigger finger, and shaken morals.

    - Merrik walks into the bridge, murders three unarmed officers, and then blasts a fourth point blank in the face while he begs for his life!

    - Most disturbing, the assassin droid puppeteers a corpse, and proceeds to toss it like a rag doll after his ruse is discovered!

    I'm also reminded of Anakin choking a prisoner for information, and of the three Jedi mind trick scene, in earlier episodes. And of course the suicide last week.

    Just wow. This show continues to amaze me. I love these parts. The darkness lends a reality and weight to the universe. It paints a complete picture. Without this darkness in the universe, the Jedi light pales.

    Personally, I would have no problem with a 6-11 year old watching this stuff, but because so many would, it's shocking.
     
  7. Darth_Gamek

    Darth_Gamek Jedi Master star 6

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    ...Apparently Senator Clovis was gonna blast Lott Dod with a droid deactivator. That could explain how he might survive after the end of Senate Spy...
     
  8. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    This was a very, very strong episode. The episode 1 animation holdover is mostly felt in the models, specially Anakin's face. Otherwise the motions themselves were pretty neat.

    - Loved the design of the Cronoet. Both the outside shape and the lush interiors were truly beautiful. I just thought they want too far by giving it an actual ship's helm wheel. It looked out of place.

    - The dialogue was awesome through and through. Satine manges to be really strongheaded without coming off as annoying or stubborn. She just really believes in her principles. Very cool that they gave her an ion pistol, as it's really hard to classify as vilence an act that basically equates to pressing the off switch on a wayward lawnmower.

    - I was very glad that they made it clear enough when and what happened between Obi-Wan and Satine in the past. For those complaining that the Obi-Wan we know would never consider leaving the order for a woman, remember that we're NOT talking about the Obi-Wan we know. We're talking about teenage Obi-Wan (anwhere between 15 and 19 I immagine, I'm going with 17). With those raging hormones and insufficient training, is it hard to believe he'd consider leaving life in the monastery to live with the girl he loved?

    - They mention Satine is the Duchess of Kalevala, which officially makes things pretty weird. One explanation is that there isn't really a planet called Mandalore. We have the Mandalore system that contains all these places (Concordia, Kalevala, Concord Dawn...) and sometimes people just call whichever planet they think is the most important there as simply "Mandalore". So Kalevala would be the cube planet and Concordia the forest moon, but at different times, people would refer to one or the other as simply Mandalore.

    - Satine doesn't say she rules 1500 systems, she says she represents them. I take it that means those 1500 are those that form the Council of Neutral Systems, which Satine is simply the head of.

    - The Mandalorian Royal Guards were pretty cool and I liked their blaster-firing staffs. It bugged me that these guys were able to actually block blaster bolts, though. I always thought only someone with jedi reflexes should be able to do such a thing. One explanation that someone mentioned above is that maybe the staff has some sort of energy field around it that manages to slightly alter a bolt's trajectory, attracting it to the staff. I did notice that quite a number of times we could see those guards swinging their staffs at nothing. So maybe they swing those things around a lot, in an attempt to block a bolt that might come their way, trusting on the staff itself to make the bolt connect to it.
     
  9. JediMasterJessica

    JediMasterJessica Jedi Master star 3

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    I don't know about that one. Usually when you have a love when you are 17, you don't look back in your mid-thirties and say you would have stayed with her. I'm thinking for a more 23ish age. He was obviously mature enough to leave her, and she was mature enough to let him go. Not that it couldn't of happened when they where teens.....just more likely and fitting in their early 20s
     
  10. Gry Sarth

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    Humm... I seem to remember reading that Obi-Wan was 20 at the time of TPM, but now I see that officially he was 24. Not sure if I remember things wrong or if this info has been changed afterwards. Anyway, yeah, he might have been twenty-nothing, though I think this whole "I would have left the Order for you" works better for a teenage Obi-Wan. And there's nothing wrong about him bringing it up when he's in his late thirties. It doesn't mean he still feels the same way, he's just conceding that at that time, when he was young and naive, he loved her so much that he would have left the Order.
     
  11. Garth Maul

    Garth Maul Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm betting both that Satine will die and Obi-Wan will kiss her, if not next episode, then sometime this season.


    Also, the Coronet was great, but reminded me of this:

    <img src="http://frame6.loadup.ru/c7/d4/358613.2.3.jpg">
     
  12. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Considering that Obi-Wan's first response was "I don't think this is the time" and she responded by nudging her head at Merrik, there is the possibility at least some of what was said was just a distraction, or at least overplayed to be a distraction.


    Until we get an official explanation, this is what I am going to go with. Concordia just reminds me too much of the Mandolore we know and love (or not, depending on the case).

     
  13. Darth Pipes

    Darth Pipes Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I believe Obi-Wan was 25 at the time of TPM.

    I can't remember who said this, but no, Anakin couldn't have just chopped off his arm, that would have required him to activate his weapon and swing. The guy would have hit the button at the first sound. The point of the kill was that it was made at the same time that the weapon was activated... it was the only way he could take him out without warning him.


    Good point. I also think too that if you cut off his hand, you run the risk that it is still clutching the remote when it hits the floor and might accidentially activate from there.
     
  14. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think Anakin just wanted to kill the guy, plain and simple.
     
  15. Garth Maul

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    This was a cool scene because there's 2 ways to take it. Either she is signaling that they need a distraction, or else that they're likely to die and there is no other time.=D=
     
  16. LawJedi

    LawJedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Wow, good call.

    I noticed some bad continuity, revealing some edits. When Anakin sees the dead clone coming towards him, both angles show that they are in a very narrow path of crates. The droid throws the clone at Anakin. Cut to a closeup of Anakin igniting his saber. The next shot, they are in a relatively open, round space, and the droid is climbing down from left on a pile of crates.

    It looks like they cut a few moments of the suspense as the droid tried to evade Anakin.
     
  17. izzy_the_hutt

    izzy_the_hutt Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Couldn't "Duchess of Kalevala" be a title like "the Prince of Wales", or "the Duke of Gloucester", where the actual place is a fairly arbitrary designation involving place in the dynastic line? That would also sort of explain why Greg Proops's character could have the title of "prince"...ish.
     
  18. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    Yes sure it could. I;m not saying my explanation is the most obvious or logical one. It's just if I'm right, then it becomes a whole lot easier to reconcile most of the contradictions to previous EU created by this arc.

    On a different note, is this the first time we actually see the sunny side of Coruscant from space? When that scene came up it took me a moment to realize why that view of Coruscant looked so different from what I was used to. Kudos to them for showing us that.
     
  19. AhsokaMiro

    AhsokaMiro Jedi Youngling star 3

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  20. VladTheImpaler

    VladTheImpaler Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There have been too many Futurama similarities this season for it to be a coincidence. Zoidberg in last week's episode, the Slurm Queen of Geonosis, Starship Titanic. There are probably more that I'm not thinking of right now.
     
  21. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    Phil LaMarr. :cool:
     
  22. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Jazz rules..........as does the 5 Servo's of Doom Attack:D As for Optimus I didn't like his approach in this epsiode, but I'll get past it.:confused:
     
  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This episode was quite good- though it felt disjointed from the previous episode (Obi-Wan and Satine's interactions in this episode when they first meet comes across like their interactions in the previous episode never took place).

    I loved the assassin droids- the big ones reminded me a lot of the Chameleon Droids from the 2D cartoon series, so it was neat to see some design similarities there.

    The whole backstory to the Pacimandos/True Mandos/Death Watch thing- it really does scream for a novel. I like how it seemingly ties into the existing Galidraan storyline (even if it's the aftermath of it).

    Obi-Wan's history with Satine and Qui-Gon also seems to match up well with the style/feel of the Jedi Apprentice series (I haven't read them, so I'm thinking more like the "go to planet of the week, deal with bounty hunters" type thing), not to mention the episode plays up aspects of Obi-Wan that have been used or hinted at before in that series (Obi-Wan left the Jedi Order briefly as a padawan in one of those JA storylines, and Siri was a pseudo-romantic interest for him as well, so far as I understand it).

    The Essential Atlas has Kalevala as a planet near Mandalore, which would explain her influence/presence if the True Mandalorians weren't around, as well as the Mando cultural influence.

    Alternatively, if we ignore the Atlas's statement of Kalevala being a moonless world as being simply lacking newly introduced information, Kalevala itself could be the Mandalore of TCW, taking on the name from the real Mandalore like a relocated capital (or, like Air Force One).


    AFAIK, it seems to fit- Obi-Wan left the order when he was young, but eventually left the group he joined and was welcomed back. I won't speak to how similar it is to Siri since I haven't read the actual stories yet, but at least there's hints there, and it could be a reflection or reaction to the Satine/Siri thing.

    It's not his fault he was born like that- stop making fun of his birth defect! ;)
     
  24. fanboyskywalker

    fanboyskywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well to be fair the blast bolts didn't seem to be travelling that fast, and these are Mandalorians we are talking about so they probably have some kind of heightened reflexes at the genetic level... hence the reason Dooku picked one as the clone template.

    Exactly, I got the same thing from Satine and the 1500 systems. I don't understand what the problem is or why there was any confusion. Also, if it was anything less it wouldn't be a substantiale enough cog in the wheel to merrit any notice from the Seppys or the Republic. 1500 makes it a very interesting third party and a new dynamic for the show to explore. I love it.

    totally agree on the ion blaster. That was a brilliant way to have her uphold her standards while still realistically having some kind of defense. Wonder how she feels about having guards that can injure people though? Unless they were also firing stun bolts??

    The animation didn't bother me at all... granted i wasn't watching it on my plasma or in HD. Hopefully they will have it uploaded to SW.com soon and I can study it a bit more. But I really got caught up in the fun so didn't notice it the first go around...

    Also, as for the wheel on the Coronet I'm glad to see new kind of design options in SW. Keeps things visiual interesting and adds more depth to the universe for us to play with. Also, it fit with the whole Titanitc vibe.

    One more thing, how awesome was it when the Captain begs for his life and Merrik just shoots him?! [face_devil]
     
  25. fanboyskywalker

    fanboyskywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    He was always 24... but I have no problem with him still looking back on her fondly even though he was only 17. It fits with the notion of love of a lifetime/Titanic/Romeo & Juliet thing. Also, it was his only one true love (I suspect) before he fully dedicated himself to the Jedi Order.

    Man, the more I write about this the more I think that this Obi-wan/Satine thing adds to the scenes with Obi-wan yelling at Anakin in AOTC about going after her and how he would be expelled from the order if he did so. It's like he's trying to warn Anakin and guide him from experience, but also kind of upset because he gave up his love. It just fits so well!

    And, as for TPM, after making that decision to leave Satine he would naturally be kind of upset with Qui-gon taking risks and making decisions that don't fit what the order should be. Heck, I bet Yoda assigned Obi-wan to Quigon because of Obi-wan's "reckless" behavior, which Ovi-wan also reminds Yoda of in ESB. Ahhh... well done Filoni, Dini and Gilroy. Well done. =D=
     
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