The Clone Wars: Episode 214: Duchess of Mandalore Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Gry Sarth, Feb 10, 2010.

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  1. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    A Clone senate. I must say, the most partisan we have ever created.
  2. Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Knight

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    Also the True Mandalorians' goal was to restore the Mandalorians place in the galaxy as a feared mercenary force. So to Almec, True Mandos like Jango are "common bounty hunters" just as to the True Mandos, the original Death Watch was just a group of bloodthirsty brigands because they wanted Mandalore to be a feared force of galactic conquerors. As far as the armor is concerned, Almec likely really does have no idea. I think Almec's trying to tell Obi-Wan that Jango was not recognized as a authority or warrior to his government by putting him down as a "common bounty hunter," He's denying Jango being a representative of Mandalore ,he's not denying his being of the Mandalorian race.
  3. AhsokaMiro Jedi Knight

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    Just when they let a Kaminoan in. COINCIDENCE?!?!?!
  4. Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Knight

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    There were a couple Kaminoan Jedi too.
  5. Humble_Jedi Force Ghost

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    "I'm sorry, but the Jedi you're looking for, do not seem to exist."
  6. Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Knight

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    What about Kina Ha?

    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/5/58/Kina_Ha.jpg]
  7. Robimus Force Ghost

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    That depends. I guess if that picture from the RPG guide is Kina Ha then maybe there is only one. If that isn't then more than one we have.:)

    Very interesting. I wonder if Karen got the idea from that picture in the first place.
  8. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    IIRC, they were always intended to be one and the same... Kina Ha on Wookieepedia (If I can find my old Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds book, I'll try to confirm it, but I'm fairly certain it used that name)
  9. Robimus Force Ghost

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    Thanks Barriss.:)

    And there I thought Kina Ha was original to Karen Traviss. A pleasant surprise to say the least.
  10. Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Knight

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    Aagh! So much conflict over EU material, I remember when almost everything with a Lucasfilm Logo was considered canon!:oops:
  11. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    Late to the party.

    Thought it was a pretty decent episode. Obi-Wan hand-to-hand against the Mandos is getting a little tiring, although it was nice to see him get ticked off when Satine was in danger.

    I didn't think the scout report thing was a huge deal, although obviously it was a bit redundant. Maybe they do the newsreels later on in production? But I agree they could have taken that scene out completely and it wouldn't have effected the episode.

    Cool to see the Ralph McQuarrie park on Coruscant.

    I noticed the pots in the Senate hallway and couldn't help but think of Zahn's Delta Source. ;)


    The politics was fairly complicated, and the writing/plot seemed like a somewhat more sophisticated PT episode.

    Nice to see Dooku.


    Also, the visuals were incredible, and I've yet to watch it in HD. But I will.


    Agree that it's tiring having Padme do all the Senate stuff, but it's no different from having Obi-Wan and Anakin lead every single important Jedi mission. :p



    EDIT: The only thing that truly bothered me was how slow the police droids/clones were in chasing Satine. I know it's suspension of disbelief, but at one point I laughed because it literally looked like they were jogging after Satine.

    - Yeah, the Ithorian thing was really, really jarring.
  12. GGrievous Chosen One

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    My signature explains it all. :p
  13. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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  14. Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Knight

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    Does anyone here really have any problems with the series so far, as far as continuity is concerned? Honestly, even though some of the discussions here have been called "debates," I hardly see any REAL disagreement over TCW stuff here on the forums.

    If anything, the only real "debate" I see is the "EU is cool vs EU sucks" argument.
  15. fanboyskywalker Jedi Master

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    You nailed it with the police chase thing Garth. Just watched this episode again and have to say the politics were much much more interesting here than most of what was in the PT, but then again Filoni didn't have to juggle all the other stuff Lucas had to in the PT. And from what I understand the basics of this story came from Lucas anyway. If Jason Fry gave us a better episode guide, we might know where Lucas' iunput ends and the writers begins... but I digress.

    RE; Obi vs. the Mando assassin hand to hand... how else can they fight? I'm really curious to see some other ideas because I agree it could be tiring, but it's not like it's a fair fight if Obi-wan keeps his lightsaber.

    Speaking of which, they could have milked Satine tossing Obi-wan the lightsaber a bit more because in essence she is helping Obi-wan fight and going against her pacifist ways, isn't she? Big moment for her to do that, no?
  16. Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Knight

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    Well, I think a good Mandalorian would know that some Jedi are less of a threat without a lightsaber, perhaps some are trained to make disarming Knights their first goal when fighting one.
  17. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    It still is, for the most part ;)
  18. Robimus Force Ghost

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    Well some folks didn't take well to Ryloth's changes, some didn't like Grievous's new additions, some didn't like Eeth Koth getting ressurected from the dead while I have issues with the presentation of the Mandalorians and their planet.

    The bottomline comes down to the Clone Wars being a higher level of canon than most of the rest of the universe so debates are pointless. It's more about personal likes/dislikes than anything else.

    So do I have problems with the series, yes I do. That doesn't mean I don't like the series.
  19. Kaxs Jedi Knight

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    Well, what else can the Mandos do? The average Mando probably can't handle a Jedi of his skill in an honest fight. And the only other plausible way a Mando could beat him unfairly is with armor of beskar. And if GL can't accept a vibroblade that can block lightsabers, I doubt he'd fancy entire armors that can.
  20. Scolai Jedi Knight

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    Most likely? Nope, he probably wouldn't like it. Visually, it wouldn't look so good, and a large number of folks just wouldn't get why this armor can suddenly stop a lightsaber. They could do arm shields like Durge in the microseries, though.

    Also, an average mando against Obi-Wan in a Street Fighter style one on one would probably lose most of the time, but one assassin in this episode and a pair of mandos in TMP did get the drop on him and he needed Satine to come to his rescue both times. Mandos don't win by fighting fair, after all, they win by fighting smart.
  21. Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Knight

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    About Koth...why is it that people would have a problem with his "coming back from the dead," but I have yet to hear any banter about K'kruhk's. That guy was supposed to have died in Genndy's Clone Wars, but for some reason he seems immortal all the way to Star Wars Legacy! Why does Koth's retcon bug people more? Just cause TCW did it?:oops:
  22. Scolai Jedi Knight

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    It's all about the hat. If Koth had a freakin' sweet hat, no one would care how many times he comes back to life.
  23. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    Was it confirmed he was killed in the Genndy CW?


    Guys, I know they need to have a way to get Obi-Wan to fight the Mandos, but they could have had a little more blaster vs. saber interaction, or have the Mando do some cool stuff with fancy bounty hunter tools.

    They already did this in AOTC anyway.
  24. Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Knight

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    I should just use microsoft paint to make a him a nice hat and edit it into the show.
  25. Scolai Jedi Knight

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    The Death Watch armor doesn't have all the fancy bounty hunter gear, so they don't have all those nifty tools.

    Also, folks tend to forget this isn't the real mandalorian warriors - this is Death Watch, a group of what is basically wannabes. These are like the folks with "The South Will Rise Again!" on a vinyl sticker in the back window of their pickup trucks. O.k., that's a bit extreme, but you get the idea. Yeah, they have the armor and some training, but they're not the legendary supercommandos. That's probably why Dooku said they could take Mandalore, but they couldn't hold it.

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