Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Gry Sarth, Apr 27, 2010.
OMG Monkey Lizard fights!
Hey first post, wanted to give my opinion. I liked the episode overall, i'm a little worried on how they're making Boba out to be but i have faith in Filoni. I was also hoping to see more badass Bossk. This is the guy who ate his own dad after all, he was sort of a waste which was a shame because he is such a cool character. But a good episode to finish off the season and looking for more Boba next year!
They got Ponds' number wrong.
Yeah... VERY wrong. It's just so weird how they keep making these silly mistakes like screwing up Ponds' number, or Boba saying the wrong model of the blaster he gets from the trooper. All it takes is a quick search on the wookieepedia, guys. And this is not even about maintaining EU consistency, this is maintaining consistency with info released for TCW show itself.
I dunno, but for some reason I always thought Ponds was lying about his numebr, you know? Like he lied to Aurra or about it and that's what pissed her off enough to kill him.
That's what I was thinkin'
and about the gun, are we sure that it wasn't a similar, but not quite the same, gun that you're thinking of?
Note: I kinda liked some of the soundtrack in this episode such as when they walk into Hondo's place and you hear that sorta extra terrestrial Punjabi music. and then it changes tone, but keeps the rhythm, when we see the Nautolan and when we see the close up of Boba.
Could be. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Ponds to lie about his number, but it's feasible.
Nah. The DC-15S carbine is very different from the huge DC-15A rifle.
Ponds' wrong number can go back to the wrong rifle type discussion we had in the Death Trap thread. Ponds' number is CC-6454, as mentioned in the Ultimate Battles visual guide.
Agreed. I felt Ahsoka placed undo emphasis on the word "house" and not enough emphasis on the word "drinks". Cringe factor +15
One minor quibble, the drinks were not really on the house, they were on Ahsoka. She should have said "Drinks on Ahsoka!" Cringe factor +5
Additionally, how does she know if the amount of money she tosses will be enough to pay for all of the drinks necessary for the patrons in the bar? Cringe factor +10
Furthermore, does Ahsoka bother to even ascertain if the patrons want drinks from the bar? They may be more interested in other consumables. How insensitive of her! Cringe factor +20
These are my feelings exactly.
Now, I admit that I was never a Boba Fett fan from the days of the OT. I wasn't a Fetth-hater, I just didn't really care much about the character at all. Not until they started giving him a bit more story, a bit more depth, and a lot more complexity in his story and his character in parts of the EU.
I guess some people just don't want him to have a life at all outside of bounty hunting. Or, they don't want to ever have to see him as being a smart, but still somewhat vulnerable kid. But, I think it enriches his character overall instead of detracting from it.
Okay, even I have to admit, that's pretty funny.
I thought the line and ending for the bar scene, while sadly causing an awesome moment to be missed, was pretty logical and neat, fitting Ahsoka's personality and a peaceful alternative her master would have probably taught her, though as a matter of fact, it'd have been nice if Plo Koon could have done some sort of crowd mind trick thing. If we weren't so used to seeing the Jedi when they're at their limb-slicing best, that seems like it'd be the sensible way out.
Was anyone else thinking: 'Finally!', when Plo Koon pulled Boba towards him with the Force?
It was so funny because there have been so many moments in TCW where that would have been a logical action (Ahsoka & Cassie chase, for example), but they never did.
Well, maybe Ahsoka hasn't learned that trick yet or can't implement it when running at full speed. It was cool to see Plo do it. I remember, however, in "Defenders of Peace" Anakin didn't pull Lok Durd towards him, but he did lift him off the ground to keep him from getting away and I thought that was both amusing and a good use of the Force at the time. There should be more occurrences like this.
Oh yes. It was one of the most surprising things in a long time. It's such an obvious thing for the Jedi to do, and yet time again we see them failing to use Force Pull when it could easily solve their predicament. The fact that Plo Koon uses it so efectively here makes those past mistakes even more glaring.
If Ahsoka can do a powerful Force push (Cloak of Darkness), she can definitely Force pull. That pointless chase scene was too much in Lightsaber Lost. In this episode, it made sense for Plo to pull Boba in toward him, and it was about time some Jedi used to the Force.
The Coruscant Underworld was a standout sequence for me. The scenery was amazing and very richly decorated. Passing through customs was a bit of a head scratcher. If you're already on Coruscant, why do you need to go through customs? Is the Underworld like an indivudual country or something?
The posters scattered throughout were really nice, specially this one:
So I guess the Rebel Pilot uniform wasn't an original Alliance design...
Well, the whole planet is a single entity I'm sure, but like many real world countries it's probably divided into states/provinces/etc, and don't some of the more oppressive regimes require documentation to go from one province to the next? I don't have an example sadly, other than a scene from The Hunt for Red October when a russian officer was asking about the ability to drive state to state without "papers".
To me it seemed more like they were getting on some sort of public transport thing, not like they went through customs. When I saw that vehicle Plo and Ahsoka were going to use, I assumed they had to get some sort of approval for that.
It looked much like the entry gates we have for the metro where I live, including the pass scanning. Only difference is, on Coruscant there were droid supervisors.
The Coruscant underground scene was so cool and so rich in detail. On the side of the speeder they were using was a panel showing commercials for all kinds of things like clubs etc. The posters in the bar were awesome, and so was the use of the lighting. There were even Twilek dancers! It was gorgeous.
The Episode Guide makes it pretty clear:
A really fantastic episode, once I got over the shock of seeing Slave 1 apparently destroyed. Some truly remarkable locations, smooth animation and lighting, and some really classic stuff from Master Plo, nicely continuing the Education of Ms Ashoka Tano theme.
I liked that the beautifully fluid and savage Aurra's Jedi past was neither addressed or negated - as her place in the EU as 'disillusioned pasty Padawan turned lady assassin' was very much poached by Ventress, it's too confusing a backstory to get into in TCW, but it's nice that it can still exist without being compromised. A bit more of this surefooted sidestepping would be appreciated, because it was a real delight to finally see Aurra in such vibrant action. Seems like more than a decade since I was reduced to pausing my TPM DVD to point her debut out to the missus...
My only real problem with this episode, apart from the appalling underuse of Bossk (one of the best character models in the series so far with one of the weakest voice performances and absolutely nothing to do), was the manner of Ponds' death.
My nearly-4-year-old adores the Clone Wars, and I love watching it with him, but how can I show him the cold blooded murder of Ponds, a man who graces a poster above his bed? Death in battle I could live with, but casually murdered while a hostage and then shown dumped in space? As an aged fan I thought this added seriousness and tension to a dark episode, but yet again with Season 2 I feel that a show so aggressively marketed at little kids should dial the brutality and horror back a notch. I'm already watching the episodes on my own first, preventing him watching stuff like Cargo of Doom (death by torture, abduction of babies), and the whole latter half of the Geonosis Tetralogy, and as time marches on I'm thinking that the series is increasingly heading towards the kid-unfriendly territory of Episode 3. I refuse to bowdlerise this stuff for him, so we're missing out on watching key episodes together, and I do hope some sort of balance can be struck between the it's-only-a-kid's-show mentality of R2 Come Home and the adult themes of Lethal Trackdown.
That said, roll on Season 3!
I don't figure Ponds gave her a wrong number. I believe what others have already stated about the dialogue simply being wrong. As pointed out, the DC-15S was confused with the DC-15A. And in the episode Cargo of Doom, I believe an AT-TE is referred to as an AT-AT.
It was mostly the writers were confused. But, someone could have caught those mistakes. For the AT-AT mistake in Cargo of Doom, they talked about that error in the episode guide. But, Ponds' wrong number and the DC-15A vs DC-15S confusion wasn't mentioned.
Did anyone notice the graffiti in Aurebesh on the outside of the bar: Roger Roger?
Oh, so that's what it spelt! I tried translating it but couldn't figure out the "E". Cool.
Other text in the bar include "Concert Solo" on the bith poster, "Concert every night" on the twi'lek singer poster, "To Gary XOXO" on the huttess picture, "Ryloth" on a bar poster, "Soda" on another, and "Show Girls" on the twi'lek poster. This one appears a few times, and in one of them, next to Ahsoka when she's overhearing the nautolan, it is flipped.