The Clone Wars: Episode 303: Supply Lines Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Gry Sarth, Sep 22, 2010.

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  1. JediAlly Force Ghost

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    I don't think I agree with you about Jar Jar. He hasn't caused any chaos yet, but there's one segment left.
  2. IG_2000 Force Ghost

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    Then what is Master Soon Bates suggesting?!?!
  3. Amdrag Jedi Grand Master

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    Someone spoke to soon.
  4. Zorkel567 Jedi Grand Master

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    Now I'm starting to feel as if this is Part 2 in a duo or trilogy. This is confusing. Master Di is so odd. I was so excited for his appearence, and now this- we basically have no background to what he was doing beforehand and was introduced weirdley. Also, Jar Jar, that bumbling fool. Dancing or putting on a show or whatever he was doing, why would Bail let him do that. And there goes Master Di. Reminds me a lot of Order 66. Katuunko got back into character in the last ten seconds.

    Next Episode looks cool though. George's character, Jabba, and Greedo.
  5. Amdrag Jedi Grand Master

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    I have to admit, I enjoy Jar Jar on this show.
  6. Senator Kelberry Force Ghost

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    One of the droids was called 0M5. Wasn't 0M5 the droid that fell behind in the sand storm in "Legacy of Terror"? So now we're getting repeat appearances by droids. That's interesting.

    Jar Jar has been amazingly subdued in this episode, I must admit and he was actually pleasant to watch. This time his clumsiness was put to what I think is quite effective use as a distraction since that's exactly what Bail asked for.

    The Gungan General is still the worst Jar Jar appearance in the series. I'd almost be willing to say this one was even better than Bombad Jedi, actually. I think finally they figured out how to write for his character. Now that doesn't mean I want him in every episode, of course, but if they can just write him correctly, as they did here, I'm sure I could tolerate him a couple of times a season.

    As for the preview...was that who I think it was? I wonder if George is going to do his voice...
  7. IG_2000 Force Ghost

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    The episode actually wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, and I actually though Jar Jar's whole shenanigan in the dining hall was pretty amusing. Di and his clone commander went out like badasses, I love death scenes when the character knows he's gonna die but decides to take out as many as he can.

    Also... Greedo? I don't read much EU, is this gonna fudge everything up again?

    EDIT: I just read Wookieepedia, it says he was born 19 BBY... so this could be his father The Elder who was also a bounty hunter.
  8. JediAlly Force Ghost

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    Well, it's over, and Jar Jar didn't cause chaos or a disaster.
  9. Rexter-fangirl Jedi Knight

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    Jarjar was sort of a turn off to me.

    It goes from a good battle to... juggling.

  10. KazeYama Jedi Knight

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    This was an awesome episode. Jar Jar was kept to a minimum and actually served a purpose besides just as comedic effect. Also the battle scenes on ryloth were awesome. The Arc trooper commander of Master Di had the coolest clone design yet, he went in a blaze of glory too. When he first went down I was like "is that it?" and then he got back up it was great.

    Only problem is the preview for next episode. Greedo speaking basic...Greedo being in the story at all is sure to cause some outrage. I'm really glad it is characters like Greedo and Bossk that appear in the clonewars instead of like a young Han Solo or something stupid like that. All the main characters should be off limits but seeing side characters get some limelight is never a bad thing. Still though if there was any time for subtitles and using alien language this would be it. Greedo speaking basic just makes him another Rodian IMO.
  11. SpecialOpsUnit Force Ghost

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    The battle was awesome but the rest of it was...well just boring and I feel like they rushed the end a bit on this one. The standoff should of lasted a bit longer but it really didn't.

    I did love General Di and his clone captain standing side by side facing death though. That ending would of been much better if they didn't spoil Di's death beforehand.
  12. TheLucasAdvocate1992 Jedi Master

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    Shocking anit it? And I enjoyed the heck out of this episode, though while I was watching I couldn't help but think back to this forum and how so many people overreacted when the first preview came out. [face_laugh]
  13. Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod

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    Question: Is there anything in this episode that explicitly contradicts the previous tidal lock situation of Ryloth? Meaning, do we ever see different times of the day or night in the same location?
  14. Darth_Hydra Force Ghost

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    This episode was pretty much a disappoint for me. Little action, heavy political focus and Jar Jar just wasn't funny(unlike in Bombad Jedi).
  15. fistofan1 Force Ghost

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    WTK!?! That was HORRIBLE on SO many levels! I'm usually the positive one, but I foud NO saving grace in this episode.

    First off, the echo. I don't know if it was CNor Lucasfilm, but the fact that everything else sounded fine definately made it seem like Lucasfilm's fault.

    Second, it was a letdown of an episode. Broken down, it was 70% boring politics, 25% Jar Jar plate juggling, and 5% action. And the action was not suspenseful at all, because we knew EVERYTHING that was going to happen.

    And boy, did the third segment really put a nail in the coffin. The entire plot of the episode was Lott Dodd reporting Toydaria to the Senate, and in the end, when he's in the PERFEECT position to do just that, he gives up and throws a temper tantrum. :mad:

    And Jar Jar. What a mess that was. Plate juggling? People watch this show for a satisfying story, not Gungan "peace and love art." I thought Lucasfilm learned that episode after the Holiday Special.

    And then there were the plot holes. If the Republic was there first, why was their fleet outside the CIS blockade? And why was the tantive IV red? In ROTS, it was blue.

    Overall, a very, very disappointing episode. I really tried to like it. I REALLY did. But it turned out to be the worst episode of the series so far, IMO. 0/10.
  16. Darth Pipes Force Ghost

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    Actually, I just remembered it does work. Remember that Greedo was supposed to be in a scene with Anakin in TPM? It was cut out of the film but it's on the DVD.

    It wasn't a bad episode. Definitely a political episode but the action was pretty good and the last few minutes were really good. Surprisingly downbeat ending with Di and his clone getting killed. I guess with a name like Di you aren't going to live long. Ryloth is given supplies but they're still in a bad spot. Seperatist victory?

    Jar Jar was good here although I found Lott Dodd to be the funniest character tonight.
  17. dewback_rancher Jedi Grand Master

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    I LOVE this episode! It is JUST what the doctor ordered for me- I NEEDED some cheering up after getting all four wisdom teeth yanked out this morning.

    IMHO, it combines the semi-competent and actually quick-thinking in his own bumbling fashion-style portrayal of Jar Jar we saw in The Gungan General with the more genuinely Jar Jar portrayal that can ONLY be brought to life when Ahmed Best is voicing the character, coming together in my dream presentation of Jar Jar Binks on TCW.

    I could not love this episode any more if I TRIED. Bail using the Senate's corruption to win against The Trade Federation instead of the other way around for a change was a VERY nice touch ("If the Trade Federation DOES have evidence of a breach in the treaty, you're free to bring it up for a full Senate investigation." "But it takes YEARS for the Senate to decide anything! *walks away grumbling, defeated").

    Further, Ima-Gun Di ended up to be a very likeable character, given the short time we got to know him. He was a very honorable, principled man willing to lay down his life to keep the Twi'lek people around to fight another day, and gave us one of the best last stands in the series to date ("Let us make the end worthy of rememberance!"), and I loved how he was at peace and accepted the demise he knew was coming as soon as he saw the relief effort coming in.

    "The Twi'lek people will live to fight another day..." then continuing to fight even after that first shot hit home... wow, TCW has a talent for getting you emotionally invested in obvious redshirts. First Hevy, then 99, and now Ima-Gun Di... this show is VERY good at tugging my heart-strings.

    Further, it adds depth to the Ryloth episodes by showing why Cham Syndulla feels betrayed. I would too if the Republic not only didn't send reinforcements, but got their own guy who was trying to help my people, against all odds, KILLED by doing so to boot.

    Even better, this tied the Ryloth eps and Ambush together with that ending, helping to give us more of a coherent sense of the timeline.

    Finally, I once again have to LOVE that the blurrgs from Ewoks: Battle for Endor were brought in for these Ryloth episodes. As a HUGE Ewok fan, that was just the right kind of reference to get my vote.

    Overall, I'd say this is possibly the best of the first three episodes in Season Three.
  18. WedgeWalker Jedi Knight

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    Thought this was a great episode!! You've got some moral dilemmas and issues in there. Master Di was more interesting than I anticipated. I really liked him. Hate that he lived up to his name. You've got action, great animation, great music, great sound design.

    Unlike many of you, I have no problems with Jar Jar. Liked him in TPM, AoTC, Bombad Jedi, and even Gungan General. That having been said, I can see why folks might like him more in this episode than normal. First, even he is aware of his tendency to be bumbling and annoying (I mean, he knows that the plan involves him taking advantage of that). That he knows how he is makes him less annoying to folks, I'd think. Second, his antics are indeed more subdued.

    On the Secrets Revealed end of things, the episode did briefly revisit and shed a little light on the "Isn't the Trade Federation officially part of the Separatists? Then what's going on in Senate Spy?" issue. Indeed, the TF isn't part of the CIS proper.

    I thought it tied nicely into Ambush.

    Like I say, very pleased with this episode. Josh and I will have plenty to discuss in our next ep of The Clone Cast.

    (p.s. - If any of you here happen to listen to us, wanted to let you know our episode on the season 3 premiere should be up either tonight or tomorrow mid-morning Alabama time.)

    Next week should be very nice.
  19. GGrievous Force Ghost

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    Lol, that's wrong.
  20. Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod

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    Actually, after some confusing retconning, the Tantive IV is no longer in ROTS. That ship is now the Sundered Heart. Poetic, isn't?
  21. Senator Kelberry Force Ghost

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    You know I just went back in my DVR and listened to the announcer of the preview bit at the end because something was bugging me.

    He says "Ahsoka and Chuchi are back together."

    Uhm...what?

    When were they together before? Did they have an EU meeting I missed? Way to go CN (at least I hope it was CN's oversight)

    Frankly, I'd like to see Ahsoka and Barriss back together for another episode, but that's just me.

  22. fistofan1 Force Ghost

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    Wow, that was a senseless retcon. :rolleyes:

    Also, it begs the question of why Bail uses the Tantive IV in this ep, but the other in ROTS. But I'm to tired to think right now. [face_tired]
  23. Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod

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    To quote GG: :oops:


    No, that's not just you. Ahsoka and Barriss is the greatest pairing created by TCW.

    And Ahsoka and Chuchi back together? What nonsense....
  24. WedgeWalker Jedi Knight

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    What echo? The sound was a bit muffled, but I've noticed that's a common occurrence when the episode airs on the HD Cartoon Network channel. In fact, when they replayed the Children of the Force stuff about a month ago, I recorded the SD and HD versions both. And sure enough, the sound was right on the SD recording

    I found the politics and moral issues to be great.

    Did you not listen when Dodd acknowledges that without proof it's likely the Senate would act on his claim...and if so it'd take forver?

    If you think that's what the scene was ultimately about, you missed the story (which I for one found satisfying).

    Take these in order:
    1. Just because the Republic was there first (and was this ever explicitly stated?) doesn't mean their ships can't get routed out. Especially if those ships are all losing fuel (like mutton-chops admiral said). Moreover, given that his ship was apparently destroyed, the ships we see later might have been replacement combat ships.
    2. Well, vehicles are repainted. And, do we know for a fact this was the Tantive IV?[/quote]

    You're entitled to your opinion. But mine is very different from yours.
  25. XJapanRoX Official Star Wars Artist

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    Man, talk about different strokes for different folks...

    I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, which came as a huge surprise. Reading all of the talk here on the boards beforehand, I agreed with all of the concern about this episode setting itself up for failure. However, after seeing the Ryloth Trilogy and Ambush more times than I can count, and still not feeling bothered about any outstanding continuity issues, I'm more than comfortable with the existence of Supply Lines. But haters gon' hate, I guess. That's not to say that I look down on anyone that felt this episode wasn't their cup of tea, though. I agreed with the previous poster that Master Di's death scene paired with Jar Jar's antics was going to be too much contrast in the mood for one episodes, and both would cheapen one another, but frankly? I don't feel that it did. And the "super boring politics" really weren't that awful, either. This had way more action than Senate Spy or Senate Murders combined, and great action at that. I'm not sure why some people hated this one so much.

    Speaking of...

    Let me be perfectly clear: I, in no way, shape, or form, ever say to myself "You know who I'd like to see more of? Jar Jar." In fact, I definitely fall into the camp of people that groan anytime there's a Jar Jar/Padme-centric episode on the horizon, especially once the ridiculous multi-week breaks start hitting. I'd much, MUCH rather see many of the other characters that we've barely seen once or twice, like Kit Fisto or Aayla. The fact that I genuinely ENJOYED Jar Jar's shenanigans is both shocking and scary to me. I may have to re-evaluate my life.

    ...Or I may just realize that things on a television show are only upsetting to me if I allow them to be. ;)

    On a side note: I DO think it's a bit silly that Greedo will be speaking basic!
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