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Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 304: Sphere of Influence Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Garth Maul, Sep 27, 2010.

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  1. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    We still have at least 2 more seasons to go ;)


    It would. But overlapping/intersecting/contributing are concepts incompatible with the notion of being parallel, so that brings everything back to square one.
     
  2. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 7

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    How come when Greedo's accomplice asks him who his two "companions" are, he doesn't realize that 1) the companions have distinctive blue skin and 2) their prisoner also looks quite similar and then put two and two together? No, it takes "Father!" followed by "they're Pantorans!" to tip him off.

    Speaking of Pantorans....they're blue people who hail from a world named Pantora. And in Avatar, we have blue people native to a planet named Pandora. Yeah, Trespass aired in January 2009 and Avatar came out in December 2009, but this is just too suspicious for me.... :p
     
  3. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, again, Cameron wrote Avatar in the 90's and named Pandora and it's blue people in those writings.

    Trespass and Avatar may have been in post production at the same time- but that's only because Avatar had such a big post production schedule.
     
  4. koonfan

    koonfan Jedi Knight star 4

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    Beyond blue skin and a similar sounding home planet (which I agree are very distinct similarities to draw from), the only similarity I can imagine is a passing resemblance to the plot when the Patorans made their debut...even then the roles were reversed (the Pantorans are the civilised people lead by a warmonger) and for different reasons (power rather than resources), and the 'noble savages', while shown in a more positive light, were far from beautiful and their culture was far from utopian.
    If anything, the brutality of the Talz is a lot more brutal than the ferocity of the Na'vi in my humble opinion, despite the fact that they lack teeth with which to display dominance. Anyway, back on topic. :p

    Oh, I'd love to see him be epic, but as a lead-in, it's nice they didn't blow our minds all in one appearance. [face_laugh]
     
  5. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hey sorry- i said i am new here- i wouldn't consider multiple comments in a row to be spamming- but if you do sorry[face_praying]

    Neutrality of TF is really problematic issue- they should explain that further in the series- it seems that only those who joined Dooku on Geonosis meeting are officially declared to be seppies and war criminals- meaning Gunray, Shu Mai, San Hill, Tambor etc.

    But there is problem what comes to the senate- senate cannot prove that TF or Banking Clan are actually seppies- everyone know that they are involved- but not completely- not even to mention how important TF still is to many worlds of the Republic- same with Banking Clan- and all those corrupted senators who are bribed or blackmailed to work for those companies- there is a problem in Democracy that Palpy uses for him- if majority of senators vote against laws and acts that would reduce power of those corporations- republic works against itself and for the CIS. Palpatine does all he can to make things worse in the senate- he wants that senate gives him more power of course -and that may be the only way for rightminded senators to get rid of that corrupted scum in the senate- if only they would know who that guy really is;)
    Jedi are well aware of the situation in senate- and Obi-Wan was the one who saw and heard how those companies pledged themselves to CIS and Dooku- but he cannot prove it... big thing that jedi don't know (and Obi-Wan refused to believe) is of course Palpy's identity...

    Interesting fact is that everyone works so hard for Sidious- every single person in senate, Cis and jedi order ultimately works against themselves and for the Sidious- that's why i think it's a very interesting situation during The Clone Wars

    And for Ahsoka not killing neimoidians- of course she didn't- it's a very different thing to cut down a living being than a battle droid- jedi shouldn't do that if it is not absolutely necessary for greater good- and in that situation it would've been "Bloodthirsty attack of the jediterrorist to neutral TF-ship" plus Ahsoka really despise killing- i think we will see her feeling guilty of Aurra Sing's "death" in future episodes... and then Aurra returns for Revenge... damn i want that she won't get captured- there is too many baddies as prisoners in TCW already.... i am still waiting for "a Great prison break" episode [face_laugh]


    And I agree with The 2ndQuest "Leeland has been known to make mistakes...from time to time"- especially with Rune Haako appearing in ep2- i am still not buying that- he is Gilramos Libkath- or Lott Dod with Halloween mask- But not Haako- never:mad:
     
  6. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think you're bit too cruel towards Chuchi right now- she did what she could to be honorable- i think anyone of the other senators- Padmé, Mothma, Organa etc. -that can be considered "Good Guys" would have done the same. You're also demonizing the TF in a weird way- it's an organization of Trade and Commerce- not organization of the dark side- of course we know that is led by greedy businessmen with no moral and they're used by the Dark Lord to take over the galaxy- but so is the whole senate- and clone army... and even the Jedi Order at that time.

    Chuchi did exactly what is her duty- she is representative of her sector- her planet and her people- not protector of peace and justice- like the jedi- or leader of the republic like Chancellor- cutting deal with TF would have made her people to suffer for sure- there would have been lack of supplies and everything on Pantora- making a new deal with other trading organization takes time and most of other organizations use resources of the TF like ships, trading posts etc.

    Do you seriously think that it would've been "honorable" if innocent people (including children) would have died for starvation because dealing with TF is considered supporting CIS:( - if so then she did wrong... but i cannot agree

    Isn't it good that this is only fiction....?





    Yeah the Gotal wasn't very bright "They don't look like Trade Federation to me!"[face_laugh] but we know that having blue skin don't mean much in sw-universe- there is Chiss and Twi'leks and Wroonians and such (according to eu at least)

     
  7. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon

    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight star 6

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    What gets me is that I never considered that Gotal might be a play on "goat" until just now as I was about to complain about the guy baaing like a sheep every time he opened his mouth to talk.

    And I can't tell who that makes stupider - me or the TCW makers.
     
  8. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well baaing was a surprise- it was kinda funny i think but bit dumb at same time- it seems that they use gotals much in the future episodes as well... still i cannot understand where all those weequays come from- they seem to populate whole galaxy! Really 80 percent of the background characters seen are weequays[face_laugh]
     
  9. Kualan

    Kualan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The weeq(uay) shall inherit the earth.

    ...I'll get my coat.
     
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  10. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    "She knows how to use a weapon, but she doesn't ever want to use that weapon to kill. She'll cut down a droid, but that's different than cutting down a person."

    That's interesting, I didn't know Ahsoka had that philosophy. It would be nice if they made that more explicit in the show, it could create some nice drama and questioning of the role of the Jedi and the nature of the Dark and Light side.


    I'm not sure I'm overly demonizing the TF. Have we ever seen any of them do a single decent thing? Sure, the senate is corrupt and the clone army ultimately has an evil purpose. But so far we've seen the clones bringing aid to starving people and freeing innocent prisoners, and senators helping planets in need and trying to bring about a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

    Yeah, maybe I was too harsh on Chuchi. It just really surprised me to see this character I fell in love with in Trespass suddenly doing her little deal with the devil. But as CaptainYossarian put it, it does make some sense, if you consider that the deal was really just to help that neimoidian captain save face, not really defend the whole of the TF. Initially I saw that scene as meaning that Chuchi thought that evidence could implicate the whole of the TF in the kidnapping, but upon rewatching it can indeed mean she believes it could just really implicate that neimoidian.
     
  11. koonfan

    koonfan Jedi Knight star 4

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    I'm all for moral uprightness and likability among characters, but you must admit, the possibility that Chuchi is 'cutting corners' or taking 'the easy way out' adds a certain hint of moral ambiguity to the show, even if it's dealt with in the span of less than a minute while using a character who previously had no inclinations towards such behaviour. And of course, it's also possible that those implications were completely unintentional. :p

    I think it should be said: While their efforts have been a little...awkward at times...I have to admire the crew's attempts to gradually work in these things (neutrality, deals made, using the system, etc.). It's at least a little bold, though seemingly scattered at times. Hopefully, as with many other things I've seen, they will further refine the process and master there areas as well. XD
     
  12. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think that Chuchi making bit selfish- perhaps even bit thoughtless- deal actually makes her character more lovable and humane instead of being faceless saint like so many good guys in TCW- especially jedi-

    imagine if Satine wouldn't have had any relationship to Obi-Wan- she would have been very boring character- same with Padmé- both "good girls" are now somewhat interesting because they have made some "sins" (even though Padmé and Anakin went much further with breaking the rules)- Chuchi needed sort of bad deed to her account- to make her character have more depth- and dating a jedi secretly seems to be too used (who would date her- Ahsoka?!:eek: )

    LOL now i went too far.... well.... we haven't seen any lesbians in GFFA since Juhani [face_laugh]

    Damn- that explains everything- both girls mysteriously disappear before ROTS (Chi Eekway being pantoran senator at that time) and Chuchi was "Very good friend" of Ahsoka- but she didn't tell where they exactly met [face_laugh]

    Pretty good theory eh?:p
     
  13. Hark_Mamill

    Hark_Mamill Jedi Youngling

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    Great episode. What a breath of fresh air after the last garbage pile. I don't even care so much about the umpteenth blockade, Greedo's basic, or unbelievable politics. I must admit now that anything that involves Jar Jar I will hate unquestioningly.

    Contrary to many of the opinions on this board I love Ahsoka. It was great to see her kicking ass and trying out some new skills.

    Also a shout out to FistoFan: I stand by my position that Di's death was "lame." In this episode we see a padawan slicing through several B2 super battle droids in a matter of seconds. I don't know where you get 50 droids + 2 tanks. I saw less than 8 droids in the Di death scene.

    The only way I can resolve this is to draw on the EU ha! and assume that jedi skills vary greatly ala KOTOR. So maybe Di was good at diplomacy or was a battle meditation specialist and a noob with the lightsaber.
     
  14. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I have to confess that i don't care about Jar Jar anymore- and I actually liked Supply Lines but I agree about Di- his death should've been more epic- in the hands of Grievous it would have been perfect... Grievous should really kill some important jedi- Adi Gallia or Eeth Koth would be good- after all they don't care about eu-canon and Adi is killed by Grievous in Eu anyway...

    I am not hating Ahsoka either and i loved the way she was brave but bit thoughtless in this episode- and way how Anakin broke the rules sending her unofficially to this mission was so great.... i think that it won't take long before council reconsiders Anakin's matureness to teach...
     
  15. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    You seem to forget he was already tired at that point. The same can't be said about Ahsoka.

    It's all about those who expect the Jedi to be Mary Sue's and those who don't.
     
  16. rumblewagon

    rumblewagon Force Ghost star 4

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    Well, in Di's defense, the scene only shows a few droids because that's all the camera angle will allow, but they were being overwhelmed as well as surrounded. Ahsoka was attacking her droids down a narrow hallway which means she only has to worry about frontal attacks and not rear or flanking attacks.
     
  17. Kualan

    Kualan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Indeed, Di and Keeli's deaths came about due to being fired at on all sides, as opposed to a narrowly-compressed column like Ahsoka.
     
  18. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    [face_laugh]
     
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  19. MistrX

    MistrX Jedi Master star 4

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    "Parallel" worlds have often been applied to alternate universes that share many intersecting concepts. In this case, I think it's George's view vs. LFL's view. George obviously views it as another venue to tell his universe's story, but doesn't really limit himself with its information and content. LFL sees the EU and G-canon as one and the same and will do what it takes to make them compatible. What we keep coming back to, though, is how each of us wants to view it. If a fan wants to view only the movies and show as canon, they have that right. Same for the EU fans.

    Probably just a coincidence.
     
  20. Mond

    Mond Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yeah, I think the goat people are officially my least favorite aliens in the GFFA. That was just retarded.

    And yeah, Di's death was over too quick, to those of you complaining about it. If Grievous had finished him off and then said a funny-evil one liner, that would have been great.

    By the way, for the supposed "darkening" of the series, we haven't seen Grievous graphically depicted doing anything atrocious since season one. In season one we got to see him murder Gha Nackt and take out that loser Admiral Ackbar Jedi, but nothing since then. Well, except for slicing his whiny underling battle droid in half in The Deserter, I think it was.
     
  21. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Good news for you then- "goat people" return to transport lemonade to Mandalore with green "egyptian aliens"... Ok it's probably water but looks like 7Up to me[face_laugh] - it has nothing to do with this episode it's the next one- but no one has created page for it yet.... Mon Calamari you mean.... Grievous must not meet Obi--Wan again in TCW their duels are always similar and on Kamino it was just awfully boring... always Obi-Wan pushes him towards the wall (or window) then he walks away like spider and escapes with some craft, still after watching several TCW episodes with Obi-Grievous duel- Obi-Wan's comment in ROTS makes me laugh "THIS TIME you won't escape" LOL[face_laugh]

    I also hate the way they try to keep Anakin and Grievous apart using very unbelievable reasons (Anakin escorting Eeth Koth to the shuttle in Intrigue was not his usual behaviour- he would go to fight right away- not even to mention he didn't want to fight against Grievous on Kamino either- Do he fear Grievous or something:rolleyes: ) They could just use Grievous against Mace Windu or Plo Koon or anyone else... but always Obi-Wan- because he cannot meet Anakin....
     
  22. Lady_Skywalker87

    Lady_Skywalker87 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, she is raised in the Temple and the Jedi aren't exactly encouged to kill, are they?:p I agree about the drama; specially when one thinks about how the war is affecting the new generation of Jedi. I'd like to see Ashoka have struggles of her own aside from the influence of Anakin's training.

    I second that!:D I'm loving this season![face_dancing]
     
  23. Plyison

    Plyison Jedi Youngling

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    yes, this season is kicking off in a great way! The only hope is that they add a full scale battle where the separatist actually win in.
     
  24. Humble_Jedi

    Humble_Jedi Jedi Master star 4

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    I have to say I'm with Gry on this. He's arguing the same point I made about this episode. I'm still not totally buying it. I'm not sure if it's meant to be ambiguous, or if it's just -here we go again- bad writing?
     
  25. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    Yeah, Jedi aren't murderers, but in a legitimate combat situation, we've never seen a Jedi shy away from killing a living opponent. Yoda kills clones, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Anakin and a lot of other Jedi kill geonosians, Obi-Wan has no problem maiming rodians and clawdites... Ahsoka automatically shutting down her lightsaber upon seeing the neimoidian guards is an extreme we've never really seen before (unless she was doing it because of the whole TF neutrality thing).
     
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