The Clone Wars: Episode 308: Evil Plans Discussion Thread

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  1. Fettclone1 Jedi Knight

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    The excitement never ends.
  2. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    This is similar case- droids can be tortured even though they don't feel anyhting- that is because droids do have sort of sentience- it's not like sentience of living creatures- droids don't really have soul or anything like that- they are programmed to "think" but they don't really think- they are programmed to "feel" even though they don't really feel- so as Obi-Wan say it's depends on one's point of view- Lucas himself seems to classify the droids to be machines without emotions- but actually he have created emotional machines which is ironic- 3po definitely seems to think and r2 has personality-

    but whether or not they can feel pain depends on point of view- they do "know" when they are damaged and they are not "happy" about it- they scream and beg for mercy like sentients- if their programming allows it- as seen in ROTJ- but it's not same thing to torture a droid than torture a living being- droids are programmed to act and programmed to do all that- they don't really think as sentient beings or like non-sentients- only droid can understand another droid.... in case we can say droids even "understand anything" they are just programmed to act differently in different situations that sentient beings would understand them better- if droid starts to scream like it would feel pain -you know you're damaging it.....

    actually feeling "pain" is excellent way to make droids that don't accidentally destroy themselves when working in hazardous environments- there is nothing sick if someone programs Gonk droid to "feel" with it's feet sensors -that prevents Gonks to step on something that can damage it (rayshielded factory floors?)- wonderful logic isn't it?! :p
  3. rumblewagon Force Ghost

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    I don't need to listen to audio commentary when my ears already tell me what I'm hearing when I'm watching that scene in RotJ with the droid's feet being burned.
    I would not mind seeing an episode in which Senator Chuchi goes to the spa for a massage and to get her nails done. Perhaps Padme would go to see a therapist and be discussing her anxiety about emotional and mental changes she is seeing in Anakin.
  4. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    Damn i really want to see Grievous going to psychotherapist- complaining about his traumatic childhood and how he is always defeated by jedi[face_laugh]
  5. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    The whole shopping trip thing doesn't really bother me - Threepio probably has had odder requests from Padme (or Anakin) during his tenure on Coruscant.
  6. rumblewagon Force Ghost

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    I'm not sure I want to know about those "odd" requests from those two...
  7. JediBendu Force Ghost

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    Also, it's just the jumping off point for the episode... I can imagine people wouldn't be terribly happy with this as a jumping off point for an episode either:

    Star Wars: Season 2: Episode 1 (Production number IV)

    A New hope


    "A hero's journey is the path to hope."


    Synopsis: In the middle of a routine second-hand droid buying trip on Tatooine, Luke finds two abandoned droids from a space battle. While cleaning them up he find information about a princess and a strange old man.

    Seriously... does that sound like a great story?



  8. Lugija Force Ghost

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    I have three things which I wait from this episode:

    -Cad Bane. Good thing he carries awesomeness in his pocket, we are in need of that.
    -C-3PO gets an episode. Oh yes.
    -R2 Come Home dropped the ball of the Boba Fett Trilogy. I said then that it could have been very good episode if it had been one-off with different villain and C-3PO added to the mix. Now my wish has been granted. Technically it of course is part of the Ziro arc, but it's difficult to feel that way when they are not aired in order.
  9. koonfan Jedi Grand Master

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    I agree with you, Lugija. You're not alone. :D
  10. Koonster Jedi Knight

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    This episode looks quite awesome to me. Bane's confusion with which Droid to steal is a little annoying, but Bane himself makes the episode worth watching. Heck, he needs some badassery ever since his embarresment on Children of the Force :oops:
  11. Redfivee Jedi Grand Master

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    This is why they need another animated series,to do stories like this.
    I say do another series like TWC set between episodes 1-2 then they can do shopping trips and tainted tea.
  12. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    I forgot about that.


    Now that you mention it....

    I wonder what happened...did they change their minds? Did the source for that first story get something wrong? Is there another episode where Bane catches C-3PO?


    Well, that is why biological creatures feel pain, but theoretically a machine should be able to run diagnostics and be able to recognize damage and danger without the crippling side effects of pain or fear.
    Certainly it seems that droids would programed to not reveal information udner torture...and again, downloading seems easier, crazy electronic defenses or not.
    Thinking even more about it...why would Padme's droids have schematics of the senate building. You think that would either be public information or it would strictly need to know.
    And isn't R-2 Anakin's droid....well, that bit has always been weird.


    [face_laugh] =D=
    A most epic post, and a point well made.

  13. AvadaKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    That was exactly my point when I first saw the preview. I don't understand the point in torturing a droid, but as I said before, my view on droids might be different than others. And the fact that it did happen in RotJ and it didn't resonate with me once during the countless times I've seen the film just confirms my feelings. I just can't emotionally attach myself or feel pity for a machine being "tortured." All potential drama of that scene just isn't there for me. Goodness, I sound like a sociopath.
  14. JediBendu Force Ghost

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    Nope, you sound like an Imperial :p

    One of the themes of the original trilogy (and indeed carried back into the prequels to some degree) was that the good guys treated machines like people and the bad guys treated people like machines - the way the stormtroopers seemed inhuman despite being flesh and blood.
  15. rumblewagon Force Ghost

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    It's not just that. What about R2 being electrocuted in ESB and RotJ, and C-3PO saying his joints are "freezing" and then yelling "ouch" when being welded by R2 in ESB. They make exclamations as if they "feel" something, but perhaps that just programming. It could be argued that humans' sensory abilities are "programming" in way.
  16. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    I think Bane thought that senators protocoldroid would have info about senatebuilding because "he" have been there... but this episode really sounds like it's full of plotholes....makes Bane look like an idiot. As i said- perhaps droids scream that sentients would understand them- they cannot program every possible hazard for simple droid like GNK or R2 unit- Out-of universe reason is of course that sympathetic droids are more funny to watch:p
    As you can see from schematics of Threepio in background- they try to download data- but apparently data cannot be read so easily- there may be security measures as said before... Yeah in old CW Padmé gives R2 as a gift to Anakin after he is knighted- but seems that R2 is sometimes in "daycare" at Padmé's house [face_laugh] and anakin is on Coruscant in hostage crisis but we don't see artoo....
    There is something familiar in THAT storyline[face_thinking]
  17. Lady_Skywalker87 Jedi Grand Master

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    It was just ok for me...

    [face_laugh] I never thought I'd see shopping in the in the GFFA!

    True, perhaps is because is fun discussing about it regardless...but I don't wanna ruin the experience of others by being critical...then again, I'll probably be back too![face_blush]


    Now that you mention it....

    I wonder what happened...did they change their minds? Did the source for that first story get something wrong? Is there another episode where Bane catches C-3PO?


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    Maybe they remembered the fact that Anakin build 3PO!:p
  18. AvadaKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    Of course. Pain serves a purpose neurologically. It lets us know that something is wrong. Kinda like when the engine light on a car's dashboard lights up. But if the engine needs to be repaired, the car itself doesn't scream in pain every time I turn it on. What an experience that would be, lol.

    I guess, for me, it comes down to droids serving a purpose and being replaceable. I don't care if I can hold a conversation with the droid. I can't sympathize with the perceived pain of a machine. Especially when I can't exactly tell if the droid is actually feeling pain...or has just been programmed to simulate or mimic its creators perceptions of pain. I lean more towards the latter, which is why I really don't care if a droid is being tortured.

    Perhaps JediBendu is correct. I do sound like an Imperial. What a mildly disturbing thought.
  19. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    As long as the neo fascism element remains in fiction, you should be fine as an Imperial.
  20. Fistofan55 Jedi Knight

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    Not looking forward to this episode...

    ...unless Kit Fisto (or someone special) jumps out!

    It's great to see more Cad Bane again, it's just that I hated every ep. he has shown up in. :(
    Threepio, however, was once again proven uselsss in that preview clip...

    At least this ep. will show how Cad Bane learned of Anakin since he seems to know him quite well in Hostage Crisis. :D
    Hopefully...
  21. SpecialOpsUnit Force Ghost

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    How can you hate Hostage Crisis and Cargo of Doom?

    CoD is arguably one of the best episodes of the series.
  22. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    No, even GG likes Cargo of Doom [face_laugh]
  23. GGrievous Chosen One

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    Of course. :p
    But nothing beats Rookies.
  24. ObiWanJedi93 Jedi Master

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    Well, yes, Anakin did build Threepio, but he salvaged parts to build him. So his arms, legs, and head came from different planets/junkyards. So Threepio's salvaged head must have had some information from his previous owner before Anakin used it himself.
  25. Plyison Jedi Knight

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    i agree and disagree with that comment. yes anakin used parts from different junkyards, but hate to break it to you,
    but C3-P0's head was made from pieces watto was about to throw away, so anakin used those parts to construct his own head. so the memory and data was all new (i hope that helps) [face_alien_1]
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