Clone Wars The Clone Wars: Episode 317: Ghosts of Mortis Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Garth Maul, Feb 7, 2011.

  1. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS SPOILERS FOR EPISODES 317 OR LATER IN THIS THREAD.

    Use the General Discussion (Spoilers Allowed) thread for any discussion beyond Episode 317!!!


    <img src="http://www.starwars.com/img/theclonewars/guide/epguide317.jpg">

    "He who seeks to control fate shall never find peace"

    Synopsis: The Jedi remain stranded on Mortis, and the Son aligned with the dark side of the Force renews his efforts to convert Anakin as the Jedi prepare for a decisive confrontation.

    Director: Steward Lee
    Writer: Christian Taylor


    Key Characters: Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ahsoka Tano, Father, Son.

    Read the official episode guide HERE!
  2. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    JUST A REMINDER THAT DISCUSSION OF PREVIEW CLIPS SHALL ONLY TAKE PLACE IN THE VIDEO CLIPS THREAD!
  3. Humble_Jedi Force Ghost

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    ... looks like the almighty BANHAMMER is sweeping in unforgiving anticipation! [face_skull]
  4. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    <img src="http://oi29.tinypic.com/5xo490.jpg">

    "Unforgiving anticipation?" [face_laugh]
  5. GGrievous Force Ghost

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    Finally, this arc is over after this episode. :p
  6. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    Hear-hear.


    Just as soon as the Son gasses up the shuttle he can finally leave Mortis and wreak havoc on the galaxy.
  7. Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod

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    Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the finale of this arc as well!! ;)
  8. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    I'm surprised we survived 2 episodes so far without a single mention of midichlorians.[face_thinking]
  9. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    I'm surprised I never had to use the almighty banhammer for this trilogy or the Randy Savage trilogy.
  10. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    I don't know what to think of this arc just yet.
  11. Humble_Jedi Force Ghost

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    Like hell we did! Where were you? [face_laugh]

    [face_laugh][face_skull]

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  12. koonfan Jedi Grand Master

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    STOP!

    ...Hammer time!

    [face_beatup]

    Oh, no, I DIDN'T. XD

    This'll be interesting. And a slight tangent you can ignore, but which I'll bring up in the main discussion thread: Not ONCE did I see Walter Murch listed as director. If he's not directing THESE episodes, I wonder what he'll grace with his touch? All I know is Return to Oz. [face_laugh]
  13. Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod

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    Saving it for a rainy day. Thanks.
  14. RX_Sith C&G Game Host

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    It remains to be seen just what exactly this three-part arc will have as any sort of revelation.
  15. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    I envision the Anakin et al. escaping the Artifact by the skin of their teeth, Anakin driving, perhaps fleeing some sort of chaotic mayhem as the place destroys itself. Then there's a prolonged pause as they continue to fly. Finally Anakin says, "Okay, seriously, WTF was that about?!?"


    ...And credits.
  16. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    Questions are often valuable in and of themselves, with or without answers. IMHO, of course.
  17. SpecialOpsUnit Force Ghost

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    That might be my favorite preview ever.
  18. Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod

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    And I don't want to know anything about it.
  19. Asharak Force Ghost

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    This could potentially be the best episode ever. The confrontation with Son looks like it will be the most epic confrontation in the series thus far, hopefully it delivers.
    I have yet to see a part 3 of a TCW trilogy that I would consider the best of the trilogy.

    I don?t need a long in depth explanation, but we need a little more information about the nature/origin of Mortis and the Trinity for this trilogy to truly work IMHO. What are the consequences of Daughter dying, why does that affect the force as a whole? Is it only on Mortis that Son and Daughters power influenced the force in the galaxy, or would they influence it just as much if they were on Hoth?

    I?m getting the impression that we might get an explanation for Vader?s line to Luke "Obi-Wan once though as you do". That would be really nice.
  20. DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master

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    I believe I may have an explanation

    Essentially these story?s ? as Dave said ? are metaphorically representing the universe through symbolism. Essentially Mortis is representative of the Universe/Galaxy and everything there-in is representative of the symbolic Force. Everything else ? such as politics, animals ? has been removed to symbolise that nothing else really matters and that everything that happens is centred on the Force. This is not ?real-time? either but rather a ?sped-up? retelling of the Force from when it was balanced, to the re-emergence of the Sith, to the fall of the Jedi.

    When they initially arrive on Mortis >>> Balanced Natural Force (possibly even before the Sith emerge)

    When Anakin refuses to stay on Mortis >>> Representative of Force beginning to teeter out of balance because of the people discovering the power of the Darth Path like the Son (unnatural darkness); emergence of the Sith

    Fall of the Son >>> Representative of the Sith emerging and bringing imbalance and evil

    Battle of the Son and Daughter >>> Representative of centuries of battle between the Sith and Jedi

    Sons overpowering of the Daughter >>> The moment when the Dark Side gains to much strength and blinds the Jedi (possibly TPM)

    The Savour of the Father >>> Through the Jedi?s selflessness they throw themselves into obvious peril in order to save the ?greater good? (Father)

    The Death of the Daughter >>> With the Jedi?s back turned the Sith strike and decimate the Jedi Order (TCW or ROTS)

    The Enveloping of Evil >>> With the Jedi Order destroyed the Sith envelop the galaxy with Evil bringing the ultimate imbalance into a galaxy which had already been ?slightly? out of balance since the immergence of the Sith

    Placement of the Prophacy? >>> Sows the seeds of Anakin?s ultimate fall telling him a prophecy he want to avoid at all costs

    And this, in the context of Mortis, is likely how balance would be restored:

    Redemption of the Son >>> Anakin destroys the Sith destroying the corrupted ?darkness? restoring the Balance seen in Overlords
  21. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    I am not expecting much- Son just teases Anakin most of the episode i think "You will fall to the dark side" NOOOOOO "You will kill younglings..." NOOOOOOOOOOOOO "You will cause your wives death" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I am still bit disappointed if we won't see any more surprises like those great visions from Overlords- in Altar- i was expecting to see Son tempting Ahsoka as Anakin/Vader or as adult Ahsoka (dark side version) but no way he had that idiotic rodentform to bite her:oops:
    There is those rumours of third cameo of "impossible movie characters" as vision but we will see if that was just nonsense.... probably it was.....
  22. DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master

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    I think that, given imbalance has now been ?metaphorically? seen, that the Son will literally show Anakin?s unavoidable destiny. I don?t think it will be Anakin?s fault either...
  23. Asharak Force Ghost

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    The trilogy has to work as its own story also, it can?t be just metaphors for the "saga", and it has to work as a cohesive whole. Even more importantly this episode has to work for people who hasn?t seen the interview with Fillioni, I?m not sure the "its all metaphor" idea can work as an excuse for not explaining important plot points to the viewers. That sounds more like lazy writing to me.

    Mortis may be similar to Lukes cave experience in some ways, but it is not a dream. Son, Daughter and Father obviously exist as fully realized beings, and the sword from last episode wasn?t just a "metaphor" it was an artifact that all three beings knew about, it had a specific purpose and origin, and had obviously been placed there by an outsider at some point.

    I thought part 1 and 2 were great, maybe even the best material we have gotten so far in the series, but I genuinely feel that the foundations of the tale needs a bit more work for the story to truly gel.


    Nice suggestion of metaphors though=D=
  24. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    I think you are wrong and most of stuff remains mystery- i could bet they won't tell more about background of these beings nor the purpose of the sword- and yes it is lazy writng.... anyway this would have worked so much better as non-star wars story- there was no need for this in the saga-continuity it doesn't fit in nicely anyway....

    i think sword was there just to patch up the plothole- they didn't think about it more-

    maybe father didn't believed fully in this balance thing after all and took the sword there- just in case he would have to kill some of them to gain the balance- but hoped it wouldn't never be used- i think they were once real beings but when exiled on Mortis they disappeared from the universe and therefore their existence depends on one's own point of view:p One thing i wonder is the missing 'mother'- did this Father create these children through the Force and they don't have a mother[face_thinking] - or was their mother someone who was not force-sensitive.... or was she killed...?

    I think it's more simple to say they are metaphors
  25. DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master

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    Well I think the sword is a metaphorical devise as Humble outlined in the Altar on Mortis thread. In my opinion it need not be explained beyond that since, in my opinion, it represents conflict and war (something which throws stuff into imbalance and thus could metaphorically imbalance the Force).

    However if you want an in-Mortis explanation I would say it was a contingency plan. Any intelligent being knows that the Son, although he is not evil when balanced, had the potential to ?follow the Dark Path? and thus embody evil. The Father likely knew this and would have used it in case the Son mutated into the unnatural state of ?Dark Side of the Force?.