Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 403: Prisoners Discussion Thread

I'd actually forgotten that Season 4 had even started. But after seeing sharks on StarWars.com, I'm glad I had.

I think I lost any hope for this series in the middle of Season 2.

 

(facepalm)
TCW is very eu-inspired. Not by much....but it is. If you going to watch this show and start assuming stuff, you need to have fair knowledge on the EU. Underwater lightsabers wasn't too hard to come across.
Deleted Scene? Well, its deleted.
Novel? Those never matter. Never did, never will.

"Fistofan55 you ar wrong"....couldn't have thought of a more acceptable way of saying that, could you?

 

What I find funny is that any gains made by the heroes will be undone at the end of the war by the Empire.

"Hurray our new king for a year!!"

 

Quite tragic, IMO.

 

Lol at the Jaws ending.

God this episode was predictable. Not sure if I ever need to see Dooku in a hologram again.

It looked very, very good, but some forced exposition and no surprises except Gungan saliva ha ha ha.

This may have been better than Water War, but to tell you the truth, I found myself playing with my iPhone while I was watching.

Guess Anakin is going to keep on saying Snips.


Finally, hate to say I told you so but I was right about the leftover S3 episodes. Not really sure why they did old S2 eps in S3 and ditto S4, but so far I believe the only good "holdover" episode was Cargo of Doom.

 

I just want one Separatist commander to live beyond one arc!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for?

 

Predictable. A little sloppy. But the strengths I mentioned (hard fought battles, scary master villains and sympathetic antagonists) are still there, at least to me. I wouldn't give it a 10, but it's not bad. I do believe it would have benefited if each episode focused on a different aspect of the conflict like the Ryloth trilogy did.

I have to admit this stretched the believability of Lee Char even further. He's got the awesome Ackbar to train him, and actual battlefield experience, sure, but I'm surprised he didn't bite it.

I also find that Nosor Ri might show surprising character depth, whether intentional or not, simply by taking a look at the situation as a whole and the events that followed. The main points for my thinking so are...

+They pick someone who looks out for their interests, even in the face of late colleagues and their children. That shows that you need a certain combination of resolve and love for your people, that you can chart a seemingly harsh course regardless of who your friends were
+At least in this case, they picked someone with enough vision to put the planet over his own people's 'safety' as lackeys for Dooku. Depending on your interpretation, that gives him traits of loyalty, personal remorse, and/or maybe standard Quarren pragmatism
+Even when on opposing sides, Nosor Ri shows compassion to the Mon Calamari and their plight, and admits that he trusted and respected the late Mon Calamari leader. This gives him more compassion and a decidedly softer outlook than the Quarren traditionally have.
+So does this mark him as the exception to the rule, or does it let us believe that not all Quarren are business minded hardasses who'd readily sell out the Mon Calamari at the earliest notice? Either way, it does give either the man or his species a boost in dimensions

Addendum: I'm trying to read between the lines here, as in WHY Nosor Ri was elected to represent the interests of the Quarren, so here goes
+In the first place, Nosor Ri strikes me as someone who would be a responsible and even-handed ruler, which is good to have in general. There's also the aforementioned priority given to Quarren interests over Mon Calamari leadership
+Alright, assuming that the Quarren are still pretty belligerent, Nosor Ri shows that they aren't blindly stupid. They elected someone who would look out for their interests, yes, but also someone who can work well with their neighbours in a more beneficial long-term relationship
+Additionally, this is a time of war and schisms are a bigger threat than before. Nosor Ri is good for the role because he has the highest chance of uniting the people under his rule, as opposed to dividing them further
+This in turn possibly hearkens back to the Quarren Isolation League. They could have figured "Shoot, being ISOLATED doesn't really work all that well". XD

 

No, it isn't. I name Mar Tuuk, Lok Durd and Whorm Loathsom.

 

Good call, but then we haven't ever seen them again since their debuts.

 

True enough, but Tuuk hasn't shown up since, and I'm pretty sure the other two are in jail, so it would be great if they get out this season.

 

About lightsabers working underwater i think it is well established lightsabers are unique- so others have probs with water (like Obi's first saber) but before going to Dac i would modify my saber so it would work underwater- also we already saw that in ARC-troopers how it works so no probs really- lightsabers way of "working" is not really scientific anyway

 

I didn't even have a problem with the lightsabers working underwater per se, it was just after a while, there were SO many things that couldn't happen underwater, and it got distracting.

The pressure on Padme's helmet - again, you can explain away that it's some kind of weird super-plastic...but then, how was it cracked in the first place if it's so indestructible?

 

They literally wasted time with that pointless Padmé's helmet-stuff It had no importance in the plot, no excitement either "OMG she's gonna die before ROTS!? " just weird, unimaginative and boring addition to otherwise predictable story

 

I thought we'd already established that all 'suspension of disbelief' moments were explained away by the 3 word phrase "it's Star Wars."

 

It is good argument but everyone can still say where they draw the line- I couldn't care less about Padmé's helmet, i'm not judging the way it acted - i'm judging the entire idea of doing anything with Padmé's helmet you know....

 

Yeah no sorry Swash, I was replying to Garth's comment instead of yours.

I should probably quote more often so this type of confusion doesn't happen again.

 

I let the unrealisticness of the deep water science stuff go because frankly I don't expect realistic at all from Star Wars let alone a kids show like TCW. The space science is just as messed up if not worse. Actually the rules of physics, deep marine science, and space science may even be different in this fictional universe. That's how inacuracies are often explained away in SciFi, dunno about SW.

 

Like I said, if I had a problem with suspension of disbelief I wouldn't be in to Star Wars.

But they could have just focused on Kit Fisto, who naturally would be agile underwater, rather than Anakin, Padme, and Ahsoka, who have no business doing anything Jedi-like in the depths.

There were simply too many moments of underwater errors (the chairs? face_laugh]) and they started to pile up at some point and become irritating. But it was more irritation at the writing than anything else, the biggest problem was that the arc was boring and predictable.

 

I would've liked it better if it was just Fisto brought back to Dac instead of having random Jedi and Padme there.

 

@ GM: Yeah

@ GG: Yeah

 

Watching this episode again, and Tamson is talking to Lee Char.

All I can think is....KILL HIM!

KILL HIM NOW!

You don't need a public execution. You have the population imprisoned. Bite off his head, and show them that this is what happens when you mess with Tamson.

tl;dr

I have a gun, up in my room. I'll shoot him.

Bang.

Dead.

Done.

 

This was the main reason why I wasn't able to get into it, and why I'm a bit more critical towards this arc.

 

The droids could've killed him
Tamson could've killed him
Ahsoka could've killed him and gained some respect out of me.

That whole public execution and the "prisoners" having weaponry was the most idiotic thing Tamson allowed. Terrible writing on that part.

 

Usually it gets put up mid week.