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Full Series The Clone Wars - Episode 5.1 - Revival - discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Seerow, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. Arrian

    Arrian Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Have you watched ROTS?
     
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  2. KenobiSkywalker

    KenobiSkywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes.

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  3. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    [face_rofl]

    With a freaking blaster no less. So uncivilized. I guess Grievous never got trained with the blast shield over his eyes to sense blaster bolts and deflect them using the Force. Oh wait, that's because he can't use the Force.

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  4. Darth_Zandalor

    Darth_Zandalor Jedi Master star 4

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  5. Garth Maul

    Garth Maul Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I have complained plenty about the Jedi being underpowered though.
     
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  6. Darth_Zandalor

    Darth_Zandalor Jedi Master star 4

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    Underpowered? The hell show have you been watching? Only Obi Wan is underpowered, because he's filoni's bitch.
     
  7. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Great game, though I'm not sure what point you're making with the video. Much of it seems to be in keeping with what I'm saying about the Force.
     
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  8. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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  9. Darth_Zandalor

    Darth_Zandalor Jedi Master star 4

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    That there is a point where you have to consider how non force users cope in a galaxy filled with supermen. Where a Jedi might rely too much on the force for the upper hand, one without would take options the jedi would never consider.

    Grievous for example, does not play fair. If it suits him to outnumber an enemy before stabbing them in the back, he'll do it. But he also has saber training from one of the greatest duelists of the prequel era. So he has a mixture of both intuitive combat and the technical skill of a jedi thanks to Dooku's training that he should be a far more credible threat than we think.
     
  10. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    AKA his portrayal in the micro series, Labyrinth of Evil and Republic.

    I know. I know. Dead horse.
     
  11. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It isn't just part of the films, it's also part of the EU that part of using the lightsaber is using the Force. In that same video game, what style of lightsaber combat you get is directly connected to what type of Force-user you want to be. How can it be possible that in the same single, supposedly coherent universe you have Jedi that are able to do a certain style of lightsaber combat because of what kind of Force-user they are, and at the same time have a character who's able to master all those uniquely-Force-dependent lightsaber techniques with no Force abilities whatsoever? Please explain (with more than "canon says so").
     
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  12. Spazmatron

    Spazmatron Jedi Padawan star 3

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    While its true that in order to duel you need to use the force to stay a step ahead of you're opponent, you can learn dueling, such as grevious obviously did (but not very well because no force no skill right?) I could learn how to do martial arts and if I praciced enough I could look pretty impressive in a duel. However, just like Grevious, no force, no power, you end up dead :)

    Just saying you can duel while not being force sensitive, but ya suck bad
     
  13. Arrian

    Arrian Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Just stop, Tarkas.
     
  14. Mia Mesharad

    Mia Mesharad Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Lightsaber technique is more based upon physical style, with the Force being employed to either amplify an already effective technique, or support a physical shortcoming. For instance, Yoda's small stature means that he'll need to employ jumps to strike any part of his opponent above their waist. The logical style choice is thus Ataru, which is based heavily on acrobatics, specifically powerful leaps. For someone like Yoda, his meager legs won't allow him to jump all that high, and as we know from right here on Earth, the same thing applies to humans, therefore they require the Force to enhance their physical abilities. However, a cyborg like Grievous, with mechanical legs and a system of moving them at least as efficient as hydraulics, would be able to make the same leaps on the mundane merits of his cybernetic body alone, requiring no use of the Force. He's therefore able to match the principles of Ataru.

    Obi-Wan is a Soresu master. Soresu is a defensive style, designed to deflect and parry an opponents strikes. Theoretically speaking, it could be as effective without the Force as regular fencing. There has to be strength in the form itself or else it wouldn't be used after thousands of years, correct? Obi-Wan does get the most of it by utilizing the Force to amplify the speed of his arms, and increase his reaction times. However, Grievous—whose mind has been cybernetically augmented—has (un)naturally fast reaction times now, without using the Force. His robotic limbs are also faster than normal organic ones, therefore allowing him to match the quick movements of a being employing the Force to enhance their movements. And Grievous is therefore able to match the principles of Soresu.

    Basically, his body is what allows him to compensate for the lack of the Force to call upon for passive use. More active use, such as Force pushes, pulls, and lightning for instance, are still things he cannot match, and it's undeniable that Force-users have an advantage over him there, when they can employ these types of abilities suddenly in the middle of a lightsaber duel that would otherwise leave them evenly matched. But the fact that they need those active Force abilities to push beyond a stalemate is something to be said, in and of itself.
     
  15. Esg

    Esg Jedi Master star 4

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    You also ignore the fact Grevious has enhanced reactions and is far from normal. In fact it's shown in canon many times that non Force users can get the upper hand if they focus on a Jedi's weakness, overwhelming force, harming companions hiding your intent ect. Not to mention Sidious was dampening every Jedi's precog in the Galaxy
     
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  16. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I asked for an explanation other than "because canon says so." A quote of canon saying so doesn't qualify. [face_idea]
     
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  17. Darth_Zandalor

    Darth_Zandalor Jedi Master star 4

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    Your counterargument is invalid despite being a counterargument with merit, because I said so for not conforming to my prerequisites which by their nature invalidate any sources you might draw upon.

    I have to bring this up again.
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  18. StarWarsFan91

    StarWarsFan91 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    WOW

    the replies to this topic are 666 (now 667 including this one)....i sense something sinister coming.
     
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  19. Mia Mesharad

    Mia Mesharad Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Tarkas had post 666. If something...sinister is rising...I'd say it's his lack of faith in Grievous. :p
     
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  20. StarWarsFan91

    StarWarsFan91 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I fear brothers, that some great evil is coming......something that is related to 666, star wars, and being sinister.

    I must brothers find out what it is.....and stop it.....from its sinister actions.
     
  21. StarWarsFan91

    StarWarsFan91 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Amazing i didn't know he had a white blade.
     
  22. Arrian

    Arrian Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    In other words:
    Jack - 1
    Tarkus - 0

    :p
     
  23. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Mia and ESG: you two accomplished (for me) what Tarkus (seemed) to be requesting - how a non-Force user could be on a par with a Jedi - the question now is, does he run on Leopard, Linux or Windows?
     
  24. LordMortis315

    LordMortis315 Jedi Master star 4

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    Blackberry. :p
     
  25. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Oww... burn...