TCW Episode The Clone Wars - Episode 5.1 - Revival - discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Seerow, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    That some people have genuine concerns about.
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  2. Cary_the_Brave Jedi Grand Master

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  3. JackG Force Ghost

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    YES IT HAS!
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    Just because you're ignoring it doesn't mean it didn't happen. And frankly, this attitude is insulting to those who read the comics, paid money for them and were emotional invested in them. Not to mention those who produced the comics themselves..
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  4. Spazmatron Jedi Master

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    Its not insulting towards anyone. they signed a contract that their work could get overwritten and it is. Insulting to you maybe, but I doubt the authors are this upset.
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  5. fistofan1 Force Ghost

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    It's true that the writers agreed that their work was subject to the whims of LFL, but that doesn't Lucas' decisions any less rude to the authors and readers of the comics. There's a difference between understanding that your work is not set in stone and expecting your work to be treated with some respect. It's true that not every fan and author is upset about this, but in the grand scheme of things the contradictions created by TCW are bad for fan relations, LFL employee relations, and the franchise in general.

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    And I sincerely hope that Obsession's placement at 5 months before ROTS isn't changed because of Adi's "death". In fact, I would be happy if, in a future EU work, Adi is recovering in a bacta tank. After all, if TCW can contradict the EU, why can't the EU stand up for itself and contradict TCW? Maybe it's because I love Obsession so much, or maybe it's because this is the millionth time this type of thing has happened in TCW, but I am not okay with this contradiction. This episode is one of my all-time favorites of the series but that doesn't negate the fact that there are other works out there that need to be taken into consideration.

    End rant. [face_coffee] :)
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  6. Spazmatron Jedi Master

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    Ok, fair enough, but how is it "rude" by changing their work? How do we not know the show is just improving off of their ideas? Authors should be glad that they even got to write about star wars and shape it their way. The actual owners of star wars are just taking their ideas, so even then they should be glad...

    I've never read obsession, but by the sounds of it its already been overwritten with Asajj... If one part gets overwritten the rest is invalid too so I am curious as to why everyone is talking about this now and not back then.

    Also, people can voice their opinions against the change, and we can argue, but what does it accomplish? Nothing. No matter what any of us say the story is going to take the same path which they are developing on.
  7. fistofan1 Force Ghost

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    Maybe "rude" wasn't the best word I could have chosen. I just meant that it's a little inconsiderate for LFL to assume its authors are okay with their work being overwritten. It would be more prudent for Lucas to tread around EU works altogether, especially since the changes he makes are not essential to his stories. For example, Obi-Wan could have taken any other Jedi with him to fight Maul and the story would have been the same. Adi is not essential to the episode. In fact, she barely speaks at all if I remember correctly. With a bit of proofreading, all the TCW retcons could have been avoided. In the end, I just have to wonder why these small details are so important to Lucas, especially since they cause so much controversy in the fan base.
  8. JackG Force Ghost

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    The year is 2000. The Phantom Menace has been and gone, bringing with it a plethora of exciting new Star Wars mythology, novels and video games. Adi Gallia appeared in the Jedi Council scene in the film, but it was in the Playstation video game Jedi Power Battles in which I really began to like the character. She was awesome in that she wielded a red lightsaber, had a sweet design and was the only woman you could play on the game; she was tough and admirable. She quickly became one of my favourite characters, up until this day.
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    Between TPM and Attack of the Clones Adi has appeared in many Dark Horse comics, The Stark Hyperspace War and Jedi Council: Acts of War being two of my favourites. These years also established Adi, along with Saesee Tiin, as the Order's best startfighter pilots. This only increased my love of the character, and the video games that AOTC brought along continued this trend. In Jedi Starfighter you took on the role of Gallia before and during the events of AOTC, except, as the name suggests, all from the cockpit of a prototype Jedi starfighter! The gameplay was brilliant fun and I spent many, many hours destroying Trade Federation fighters and just enjoying myself. My favourite mission was escorting Yoda and the clones through the Geonosis asteroid field to the arena below.

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    Then came the EU between AOTC and Revenge of the Sith. In ROTS Adi Gallia didn't appear due to the actor whom portrayed her was unavailable. As such Adi needed to be killed so as to pave the way for her replacement, Stass Allie. In the brilliant Republic comic series Adi had several appearances, mostly in the cockpit of a starfighter, much to my pleasure. She even appeared in Genndy's micro-series, where, for the first time she had dialogue that wasn't from a video game. Adi's finally comic appearance for the CW multimedia came in Obsession, which is perhaps my favourite SW comic due to its awesome nature and the closure it in the lead up to ROTS. Out of her usual ship Adi led clones against General Grievous himself, taking down several Magnaguards in the process. She fought valiantly but eventually was decieved and slain by Grievous, whom I respected as a villian. it really added to the General reputation as a bad ass that he killed a Councillor so I was pleased with the final fate for my favourite Jedi character. Not to mention that Brian Ching pencilled the comic, meaning its art was sublime. I beleive it is a truly fitting end for the story of Adi Gallia, Jedi ace, slain on Boz Pity -- she could never be bested in space combat.

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    Don't get me wrong: I think it's great that Adi appeared in TCW, she's an interesting character. I don't think it's great that to tell their essential story of the Clone Wars Filoni and Lucas need to trample previous canon. So no, I won't "get over it" because it's "a dang show". I am emotionally and financially invested in the character and in the stories and it's not just a simple annoyance. It actually means something to someone. Just because it's one of my favourite charcters they're messing with now don't presume your favourites are safe in the future. We'll see whose complaining then, won't we?
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    Adi Gallia died on Boz Pity and not on Florrum.


    Also P.S. @Dan_Grievous_Tikkes_Fan : she met your man Tikkes:
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  9. Master_Fwiffo Force Ghost

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    And Clone Wars fires up its Canon Cannon to enragement of nerds everywheereeeeee! :p

    Ok, yeah, it sucks that a good comic is getting overwritten, but in an evolving franchise, it happens from time to time. Just relax, chill, and make your own personal Canon Declaration and ignore whatever you don't like. It isn't the end of the world, and you can ignore the Cartoon and choose the comics over it. Simple right?

    Just repeat to yourself, 'It's just a show, I should really just relax."
  10. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    MST3K Would have a field day with some of the TCW episodes.
  11. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Jack, nobody really dies in Star Wars. You know that.

    As far as the canon debates, my stance is as it has been: if Lucas was aware of the pre-TCW material and what it contained, and endorsed it, then later told the authors, "Oops, too bad, so sad, I've decide to invalidate your work and take the story in a different direction," I'd say he and Filoni are rude to the old-school fans and the authors alike. But if he did nothing more than give them permission to write in his universe and paid little to no attention to what they wrote beyond that, he is really not under any obligation, ethical or otherwise, to stick with the storyline that they created.

    I keep some of the comics in my library but haven't read many of them, and I don't think I have Obsession anyway; I don't have a strong opinion on this one. If Labyrinth of Evil gets rendered noncanon, however, I'll blow up the Internet.
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  12. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    Like Dragonball Z, death really is meaningless. Also, Luke is Goku, and if he is in a story, he is the one who has to kill the bad guy, regardless of how out of place he is.

    Seriously, Goku is the biggest kill stealer ever.
  13. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    Still not sure why they used Adi Gallia.


    Though jack were you mad when no red lightsaber and no orange for PLO ;) ?
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  14. JackG Force Ghost

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    Fate>lightsaber colour. Maybe she had multiple lightsabers?
  15. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    I recall her having a blue one on the cover of one of the young Obi Wan novels.
  16. Zeta1127 Force Ghost

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    I played Jedi Power Battles, so I was surprised when Adi, Plo, and Mace ended up with different color lightsabers, but I blame that on gameplay mechanics and as with JackG, fate > lightsaber color.
  17. JackG Force Ghost

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    Yeah, she has used few colours, actually. In TPM EU she has the red blade, same with the action figure. Then Lucas decreed that all Jedi bar Mace had to have blue or green crystals.
    Red blade.
    Blue blade.
    Orange blade.
    She has a green blade somewhere but I can't find an image.
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  18. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    Actually, I checked out the book in question (Jedi Apprentice: The Dangerous Rescue), and she in fact has an orange saber. Fancy that.
  19. Spazmatron Jedi Master

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    A Jedi with a red lightsaber.

    I want :)
  20. JackG Force Ghost

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    Major Revival spoiler (open)
    What I can't grasp is how a Jedi Master who has been a High Council member for over twenty years can be killed by a Force-user with less than a year's experience.

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  21. Spazmatron Jedi Master

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    But, Jack, mother talzin magic solves everything!

    (sarcasm intended)
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  22. Mzukiller Jedi Master

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    I've gotta be honest, doesn't anyone else see a problem with all sudden changes to canon that has been around for years, thanks to this show?
    I mean let's be honest here, this show was made purely for the money. But it's messing with things that have been written in stone for years. i think something should be done.
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  23. Zer0 Jedi Grand Master

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    Oh look, more canon being over ridden, nothing to see here.
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  24. HEDGESMFG Force Ghost

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    I hate that Obsession's fate for Adi is getting overwritten, but it doesn't mean that Obsession itself will be completely overwritten. Just as CN I-III won't be overwritten just because they featured Even Piell's "first" death.

    Obsession will just have to take place somewhere else in the war. Probably before the Mauldalorian episodes. Maybe before the series. Maybe after the first Savage Oppress arc (between Ventress' appearance in s3 and s4). Who knows? But I doubt it will get tossed out completely.

    The real loss of the comic comes in the form of another one of Grievous' failed jedi killings (to be fair, Dark Horse itself stole his kill of K'Kruhk). And hell, if the show would actually let us see him 'murdering' a few more Jedi like we should, I'd pretty much forgive this. I love the batty droid general. We need to see more of his high kill count.
  25. Seerow SWTV★Manager

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    With one arm.
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