TCW Episode The Clone Wars - Episode 5.9 - A Necessary Bond - discussion thread

Indeed. He has survived worse...

Wonder when we will get to see the part where Grievous picks up that cough

This difference of opinion comes down to a difference in perspectives.

I never got the sense that all of the younglings were being set up to have similarly big roles in the arc. As early as the first episode, it was clear that the brash and arrogant human boy and the dogmatic and insecure near-human girl would be the most prominent of the six... and not just because Christian Taylor is a human supremacist (though here he is at an Imperial era rally, right in the middle with his fist raised high ):



Seriously, the guy makes the embodiments of the Force exaggerated humans, as if they're the only species that matters. Guess what the main cast of Taylor's old show, LOST, was made up of?



But I digress...

Zatt took a step backwards? I don't agree with that. He had just overcome his tech-dependency. It wasn't inappropriate to use basic technology for rudimentary astrographic/geographic (one of the two IIRC) calculations. He constructs his lightsabre (more competently than the humans on their first attempts, and through the standard meditative Force-guided method) and wields it effectively. Really, he doesn't need much more to grow after The Gathering. You believe Gungi was static and Byph was sectioned off into the comic relief role. However, Byph certainly wasn't a dithering clown. In the later three episodes, he proves that he is courageous, confident and competent. Both he and Gungi similarly construct their lightsabres with the Force at the beginning of Bound for Rescue, in states of mind that are devoid of their earlier flaws of impatience and fearfulness. Considering that characterisation for Gungi and Byph is limited by the fact that they can't speak Basic, they got a good deal from the arc.

Some thoughts on Ganodi: she does have a bit of an attitude problem, such as when she attempts to belittle Huyang in A Test of Strength. However, when she attempts to undermine Petro's unofficial leadership position in Bound for Rescue, she easily comes around to seeing the merits to his suggestion and decides not to argue for the sake of it. How very Jedi-like of her. That's some decent character development right there, done in the space of a few seconds. Does she grow past her flaws? Sure she does.

Rex and Fives became the main protagonist and deuteragonist in Umbara for a reason. They were the most established and most well-developed of the clones. It wasn't an introduction but a continuation of The Deserter and the Rookies/Clone Cadets/Citadel complex. There was little setup needed. Petro and Katooni evolved into the joint protagonists when the other characters completed their individual journeys. The others certainly did not just fade into the background. Certainly, they have much more significance than Kix does after The General, even when Ahsoka and Hondo join the cast of protagonists. The collective journey is incredibly important to Jedi characters and particularly in such a small group of any sort of characters. Even without a speaking part, each of the younglings grows as a result of this collective journey.

Star Wars has always had shifting focuses, parallel protagonists, etc. ANH begins with Luke Skywalker nowhere in sight for the first act and ends with him as the primary focus. Keep in mind that these are Jedi children. Things like Byph's and Gungi's placidness in meditation, Ganodi's eventual lack of aggressiveness, Petro's evolving compliancy and Katooni's overcoming of her failures are pretty big deals. There may not truly be much of a moral lesson in this episode and arc beyond teamwork and all that typical good-for-kids stuff. Sometimes TCW goes out and does some mythology-driven world-building and exploration of IU themes, characters and concepts - eg. the Anakin-Obi-Wan relationship, the nature of the Force, the doctrines and ethics of the clone army. This arc was great at this.

Just IMO. I can see how you developed your opinions and see that your perspectives are all very much valid. However, suffice it to say, I have some very different ones. I think this arc is one of TCW's very best. I don't consider it to be as good as Umbara, but it's probably superior to the Hardeen arc overall.

Definitely a highlight of S5 and of TCW.

I've got it as my desktop background.

Today's topic: How to wreck canon

I think 'how to shoehorn Ahsoka in every situation' was on his mind too.

Did you catch the class, too?

I stayed home and didn't spend $132492942795 dollars in airfare, hotel, food, ect.

Of course the others got shoved into the back Humans first. Now only two options for the youngsters getting brutally chopped down by Anakin or getting grabbed for a Sith Experimentation.

Still that being said be nice to see Del Rey in the EU even go for half that level of diversity but nah white male after white male after white male....white female, white male, white male...white female, white male, white male.... alien.

I am pretty sure that's George. We are incredibly lucky to have him.

Yes

This needs to be a mandatory class for every current and future Disney-Star Wars writer/director/producer.

Only in your mind, young one.

Filoni tought it would had made more sense for Kenobi to get a padawan, but Lucas is the Emperor.

Both are pretty bad ideas imo. Either idea takes away the Obi-Wan-Anakin companionship, and I think the former would've bulldozed it more.

Filoni tought Kenobi having a padawan would be a better alternative. Lucas literally looked at them and said Anakin had a padawan. Him and Gilroy looked at eachother and decided to pretend that the mind trick worked.

Lucas: "Anakin has a padawan."
Filoni: "Uh, no, George. He never had a padawan. Do you want to watch RotS to refresh your memory?"
Gilroy: "Yeah, George. I'm pretty sure Anakin never had a padawan."
Lucas: *waves hand* "Anakin has a padawan."
Filoni: "Anakin has a padawan."
Gilroy: "Anakin has a padawan. Move along. Move along."

Doesn't he already have it?