Full Series The Clovis Trilogy (6.05-6.07) Discussion Thread

Was it in any other episodes do you know?

 

Wow, Thorn did...just about nothing. Remind me why everyone was so excited about him again? He was just Captain Keeli 2.0.

Great arc, though. These are some of the best political episodes the show's produced to date.

 

Finally got to see the third episode.

Likes
RIP Clovis.

Whatever
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
The Senate is still a reactionary herd of timid, self serving fanatical patriots.

Terrible
Dooku kicks a dead clone's head.

 

I wasn't sure what to expect from this arc but I thought it was great. Maybe the best pure political episode.

The last couple of minutes of the first episode, with the snow sled sequence was fantastic.

A very interesting look at the Anakin/Padme relationship and Anakin is in a dark place here. That beatdown of Clovis was intense and there going at it over Padme was somewhat hilarious. Cool seeing Embo. Cool seeing Padme and Dooku share a scene together, they haven't interacted much.

One of my favorite scenes was definitely the Anakin/Obi-Wan scene where Obi-Wan finally addresses Anakin's relationship with Padme. Also cool seeing Anakin's room.

Clovis's backstory with him being raised by the Muun was interesting. His character worked here.

Loved the design of Skippo (was that it?)

I just realized that the Muun remind me of Squidward from SpongeBob.

 

Anakin beating up Clovis was way too over the top. What ever Padme sees in him is beyond me.

 

This was my problem with it. I didn't mind him fighting Clovis but the fight itself was a bit much. Clovis actually fighting back was an amusing twist on it, though; I expected him to be your typical wimpy-fighter prissy man who loves the woman but can't fight for her. It was refreshing that he actually looked like he had fighting experience.

 

Sorry, Padme, you don't "just do business" in that dress.

 

Padme wasn't just the Queen of Naboo, but also of mixed signals.

 

Yeah, that made me roll my eyes. "I don't think we should see each other anymore" is a line said in a cheesy teen sitcom on Disney Channel, not to a husband from her wife. Can't even blame Disney for that one, because the Clovis arc was pre-Disney.

 

Clovis fighting back was awesome. Still pretty one-sided though. Wasn't he that in the earlier arc? If he hadn't died and we got more stuff I would not be surprised if he helped spread a rumor about the two. That chase scene with Embo was great. The visuals and such were top notch for this arc.

 

Yeah, he was a wimpy priss in the first arc. I always love seeing more Embo though I now slightly begrudge him for killing Teckla. Still, he's pretty awesome and I admit I loved his dog "fetching" his hat for him and him saying, in his own language, "Good boy, Marrok."

 

Thought so. Han over Anakin and Clovis any day. Embo is probably my 2nd favorite new character in the show after Hondo. I want to see both of them again.

 

I think she was totally distressed by Anakin's behavior and maybe did think of divorce or seperation, but then they are in a war and when it turns out Clovis WAS a traitor after all she realizes Anakin was right about clovis and her own guilt over trusting him makes her doubt all her negative feelings towards Anakin, in the end though it seems like Clovis loved Padme more or at least in a far less possessive way than Anakin

 

Clovis was even stupider than I imagined. He was like,

"OMG Jedi can't date! I'm telling everyone!!!!111 *gets beat to within an inch of his life* never mind ヽ(；▽；)ノ"

Like, I really wonder why he thought that would go well for him.

 

My thoughts exactly. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with her?

Not excusing how insane Anakin got of course. But Padme is awful with mixed messages.

 

I've got to stay I enjoyed this arc. It actually surprised me, to be honest, and perhaps many of you as well. I think a lot of us basically wrote it off since we first heard about it, but it's a shame this thing didn't air last season while the stupid Void and Gascon episodes did. I appreciated the effort that was made to weave economics and politics into this episode, after all, they both play a huge role in warfare. A few other things I enjoyed:

--Clovis and his motivation/back story.
--Loved the "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" inspired residence for Clovis
--The Embo chase was fun; especially his...hat boarding? lol
--CIS people who aren't incompetent or mustache twirling villains? We could have used those since day 1 of this show.
--Everything about Anakin's room, (especially the podracing poster). The room was a phyiscal representation, through material culture, of Anakin's character. Loved all the details (if you haven't already, check out the art that was posted on the official site's episode guide of the room). Anakin tinkering and building/repairing stuff while in a bad or disturbed mood is something I totally picture him doing.
--Anakin vs Clovis fight (although admittedly, I couldn't help but laugh during some of it).

That said, once more we get Sidious and Dooku with a super contrived and convoluted plot to further their own ambitions and goals. I swear, I don't really think it's cunning that helps them conquer the galaxy, but more so that the Jedi and most of the Republican leaders are just stupid, arrogant, oblivious, or some combination of all three. Ha.

 

The thing is, Anakin was actually kind of right about Clovis, which is why Padme let him off the hook at the end.

It also proves that their marriage is immature and badly thought-out. What is the plan, anyway? Just to keep sneaking around forever? That's not a marriage. For Anakin to leave the Order once the Clone Wars is over and he's no longer as badly needed? If so, they should have spelled out that plan. Just to keep going and hope for the best?

The problem with Anakin is that he can't leave anything he loves, but sometimes you have to make a decision and go with one over the other. That was what I liked, for example, about the way Kimagure Orange Road ended - Kyousuke finally made his choice, and once he did, he closed the door on the other option. Anakin never did. That was the real problem. He loved the Jedi Order and Padme, Obi-wan and Palpatine, and could never quite close the door on one or the other until it was too late.

His relationship with Padme - with everything, really - was essentially dysfunctional.

And no, she didn't help things either. She was too flirty with Clovis. She was, as Anakin was as well, too wrapped up in her job, and not enough in her marriage. She, who was supposed to be the educated, cultured, and levelheaded one, didn't have any more of a plan for the future than her husband did. Nor did she press him enough about the need for one. She seemed to think she could have everything and not let anything go.

Which is what separates Ahsoka from both of them. Ahsoka finally did let go. Which is why she had, and deserved, a happy ending.

 

Sums it up perfectly Narutakikun.

 

These were pretty nice episodes. They should've done more political episodes like these with both warzone and senate being seen. Too bad that there is no mention of San Hill or Muunilinst. But of course there can be other IGBC worlds- transactions were probably moved to neutral Scipio after San Hill brought war to Muunilinst and became traitor. It is also crazy that Nix Card were made so much smaller than he was in HOBS and Lott Dod seems to have wrong voice.....
It is also noteworthy that these episodes were very James Bond-like because of alpine mountains and private residence and that chase down the mountain. Very James bond.

It's also kinda crazy how Anakin and Padmé interact more naturally in this show than in AOTC... it's not a flaw of this show but flaw of PT.

 

My guess is Sebulba got beaten by Ben Quadinaros in that race, and Anakin keeps the poster as a memento of Sebulba's continuing humiliation.

Ben's certainly come up in the world, hasn't he?

 

My initial impression of this arc having only watched it twice so far is that it's the only arc from The Lost Missions to actually disappoint me and definitely my least favorite of the four new arcs. Anakin's attitudes about relationships are extremely immature. He acts possessive of Padme. Padme, who's supposed to be the mature one, actually accepts it much of the time. Anakin beating the piss out of Clovis was too much for me, especially in front of Padme. Padme "breaking up" with Anakin was absurd, especially since they never say anything about getting "back together" after that. So it's possible they remained broken up until Anakin found out she was pregnant? That changes Ep. III way too much because why would you be so attached to that person.

I guess I need to give this another chance because I can always find positive things about any episodes (with the exception of Bombad Jedi, Evil Plans, and the S5 WAC arc) and I seem to be one of the most negative about this arc.

 

Loved this arc, but in hindsight, I'm kind of at a loss where this leaves San Hill, if the Banking Clan is no longer neutral, and falls in line now with the Republic, NOT the CIS.

What exactly is he bringing to the table for the Separatists?