Amph The Comic Book Character Draft ReduX [Ed: That's #10 for those keeping score]

Apocalypse

 

And SBP finally goes...

 

Beta Horse Ray Bill Face please and thank you

 

With the 36th overall pick, The Yak's Inferno selects, from Leipzig, Germany:

Baron Helmut Zemo

 

Well, there goes Apocalypse and Baron Zemo. Kinda sad right about now.

Trimaj you are up.

 

No. Trimaj is banned. Banned FOREVER

 

Ditto. I love fat lips.

 

Fat Lips lol

Gonna type up the breakdowns here in a moment. But you know, after taking a long look at what we have so far (and what's still out there), I gotta say, I think I agree with Yak. This list, these characters. It's just way too much. Too much planet-busting and galaxy-shaking going on here. I probably wanted Thanos back on the list more than anyone, but this is pretty absurd, especially with just 8 teams totals. It wouldn't be quite so bad if we could have scrounged up 16 GMs like in the good ol' days, but even then...

It just doesn't really promote any kind of strategic team-building and cohesion may as well be pointless. Just swing for the fences each round with what you think is the most powerful pick and hope to win a Rocky style slugfest with the other GMs that did the same. Eh. Not a fan in retrospect.

 

Me neither. Let's restart and lose all of these chumps.

 

But if we lose all of these chumps, I'll be the only GM left...

 

It definitely does feel like overkill ... Like I have an entire team of first rounders. Kind of silly

 

Don't look at me, this is what you crazies wanted.

 

Well yeah and we have been down this road SO many times.
Solution - We can add GMs to thin the power of these teams out. Problem - too many people, draft drags on, people lose interest, plus people still can draft poorly and not be able to compete regardless of the level of power on the list.
Solution - we can strip the list of upper level uber powers (Thanos, Darkseid, Onslaught, etc) Problem - draft gets boring seeing the same things over and over, (Thor vs Superman anyone), it's nice to see fresh faces. With new picks added with such power common draft prep staples for us like the Dooms, IMs, Richards, Cables, Stryfes, Blinks, etc, may JUST be making the cut instead of getting gobbled up round 2-5.
Solution - we can add a power list limiting the number of crazy powerful picks made overall Problem - People still draft terribly, and A LOT of great picks are left un-drafted, plus where is the cut off? Looking at previous power lists the vast separation of power level from say Onslaught to General Zod is ridiculous.

Not sure if this Wang is a sock of some kind or if they are actually new but I have been in drafts and always drafted 'cohesively' for the most part but it never seemed to matter. If you draft an all villain squad someone will cry foul about them not working cohesively because they all want to lead and in fighting etc, so naturally hero squads should win even though Hero squads need to always act as a unit to beat ONE villain because they are so powerful. Makes no real sense, but then again these things never do.

When we started these lists were ridiculous, like Glactus-Thanos-Franklin Richards-Onslaught-Imperiex-Phoenix, etc on-the-list-ridiculous and it has been whittled down ever since. The more powerful the top picks the shallower the reach picks down the list goes, so we made other drafts to incorporate the never drafted, always left on the list cool 'Average Joes' we know and love. The more we cut the top tier power off the further down we go to get picks. It is just a cycle.

No matter what we do we can't please everyone, hence why we change the drafting style every so often. We do a pretty good job of shaking things up, different commissioners and judges affect each draft differently, from the start to the drafting to the matches to the close. The point of these things, to me anyway, was to have a good time imagining and discussing arena battles that wouldn't have a snow balls chance of actually ever happening in comics today. What's it matter if you go to teams and UBER PICK #1 wipes out half the turd bricks on the other team in the opening moments of the match while UBER PICK #2 does the same?

Sorry for the TL;DR probably should have gone in the discussion thread but whatever

 

I'm all for a reboot. Marvel does it ever year it seems

 

well... crap. that's pretty much everyone i was thinking about gone. ummm... gimme a little bit.

 

I for one enjoy an all-powerful draft, yes it takes away from the cohesiveness of hero & villian squads but this all for entertainment.

All the tinkering with this system reminds me of the BCS in college football; it'll never perfect across the board. I'm all for keeping the top-tier talent in!

 

Round 1

1. DarthIntegral--Thanos
2. whiteeagle--Darkseid
3. Chim--Onslaught
4. Yak--Dr. Strange
5. Trimaj--Zoom
6. Minch--Silver Surfer
7. Kalar--Spawn
8. Amatsu Mikaboshi--Despero

Round 2
1. Amatsu Mikaboshi--Cyborg Superman
2. Kalar--Genis-Vell
3. Minch--Nova
4. Trimaj--Adam Warlock
5. Yak--Annihilus
6. Chim--Qztr
7. Whiteeagle--Loki
8. DarthIntegral--Ronan the Accuser

Round 3

1. DarthIntegral--X-Man
2. whiteeagle--Sinestro
3. The_Chim--The Sentry
4. Yak--Mr. Majestic
5. Trimaj--Flash (Wally West)
6. Minch--Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
7. Hokage_Kalar--Quasar
8. Amatsu Mikaboshi--Extant

Round 4

1. Amatsu Mikaboshi--Ultron
2. Kalar--Firestorm (TBD)
3. Minch--Thor
4. Trimaj--Magneto
5. MandaloreYak--The Juggernaut
6. Chim--Dr. Fate
7. Whiteeagle--Superman
8. DarthIntegral--Superboy Prime

Round 5

1. DarthIntegral--Doomsday
2. ]whiteeagle--Apocalypse
3. The_Chim--Beta Ray Bill
4. Yak--Baron Helmut Zemo
5. Trimaj
6. Minch
7. Hokage_Kalar
8. Amatsu Mikaboshi

Items:
No Infinity Gems
Zemo will be with Moonstones, and Moonstone is in possession of 1 Moonstone(but currently still has the retained power from the broken one, so that's fair game)
Quasar is in possession of the quantum bands


Do me a favor: if you guys see any duplicates let me know. Some people got moved to team lists or vice versa, and in doing this on my phone.

The List

Abomination
Absorbing Man
Agent X
Alexander Luthor, Jr.
Alexander Nero
Allen the Alien
Angela
Animal Man
Ant-Man (Choose version)
Arachne
Ares
Asp / Black Mamba
Atlas (Eric Josten)
Atom Eve
Atom Smasher
Atomic Skull
Atrocitus
Aurora/Northstar
Azrael
Bane/Ragdoll
Banshee/Siryn
Baron Strucker
Bastion
Batgirl
Batman/Catwoman
Batwoman/Flamebird (Bette Kane)
Bizzaro
Black Adam
Black Bolt
Black Lightning
Black Manta
Black Mask
Black Panther
Black Racer / Copperhead
Black Samson
Black Tom Cassidy
Black Widow I / Winter Soldier
Blackfire
Blade
Blade/Morbius
Blastaar (pre cosmic control rod)
Blink
Blockbuster
Blue Devil
Boy Blue
Bullseye/Moonstone
Burnout
Cable/Domino
Callisto/Anna Lee
Cannonball
Captain America (Steve Rogers)/Falcon
Captain Atom
Captain Britain
Captain Comet (post crisis only)
Captain Marvel
Captain Nazi
Carnage
Cassandra Cain/Stephanie Brown
Cassandra Nova Xavier
Clayface (specify which)
Clint Barton/Bobbi Morse
Cloak/Dagger
Coachwhip / Cobra
Conquest
Constrictor
Cosmic Boy
Crossbones / Sin
Count Nefaria
Cy-gor
Cyber
Cyclops/Jean Gray
Daredevil/Elektra
Darkhawk
Deadpool/Taskmaster
Deadshot/Catman
Deathbird
Deathstroke/Jericho
Demogoblin
Doc Samson
Doppelganger
Dr. Doom
Dr. Polaris
Drax the Destroyer
Dupli-Kate/The Immortal
Elsa Bloodstone
Enchantress
Etrigan, the Demon
Evinlea
Exodus
Fairchild
Fin Fang Foom
Firelord
Firestar
Freefall
Garth Ranzz
General Zod
Geo-Force
Ghost Rider
Giganta
Gladiator
Gorgon
Gorilla Grodd
Grayven
Green Arrow
Green Lantern (John Stewart)
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
Green Lantern (choose which)[other than Hal, Kyle, John]
Grunge
Guardian (James "Mac" MacDonald Hudson)
Hank Pym/Wasp
Havok
Hawkgirl/Hawkman
Hector Hammond
Hellboy
Hellstorm
Hercules
Holocaust
Hourman, the Android
Human Torch (Johnny Storm)
Ian Nottingham
Ikaris
Indigo
Invincible
Invisible Woman
Ion
Iron Fist/Luke Cage
Iron Man
Jade
Jakeem Thunder
Kalibak
Kang the Conqueror
KGBeast
Kid Flash
Killer Croc
Killer Frost
Kingpin
Knockout/Scandal
Lady Deathstrike
Lady Shiva/Black Canary
Lex Luthor
Live Wire
Lizard
Lobo
Longshot
Luke Cage
M (Monet)
Machine Man
Mad Thinker
Madelyne Pryor
Maestro
Magik
Major Force
Mandarin
Martian Manhunter
Marvel Girl (Rachel Summers)
Master Mold
Maxima
Meltdown
Metallo
Metamorpho
MODOK
Mongul (no Power Ring)
Monica Rambeau
Mongul the First
Monster Girl/Robot
Moon Knight
Moondragon
Morbius
Morlun
Mr. Fantastic
Mr. Freeze
Mr. Sinister
Mr. Terrific
Ms. Marvel
Multiple Man
Mystique
Namor
Namorita
Nightshade
Nightwing/Starfire
Nimrod
Noh-Varr
Obsidian
Omega Red
Omni-Man
Orion
Overt-kill
Parasite
Penance
Pitt
Plastic Man
Plutonian
Poison Ivy
Polaris
Post
Power Girl
Professor X
Puck
Purple Man
Quicksilver
Ra's Al Ghul/Talia Al Ghul
Radioactive Man
Ragman
Ragnarok
Rainmaker
Raven
Red Hood (Jason Todd)
Red Lantern(specify which)
Red Skull/Heinrich Zemo
Red Tornado
Rex Splode
Rhino
Rulk
Sabretooth
Sasquatch
Scarecrow
Scorpion (Carmilla Black)
Sebastian Shaw
Selene
Sentinel (Mutant-hunting robot)
Sentinel (Alan Scott)
Shadow King (original body)
She-Hulk
Siryn
Skaar
Solomon Grundy
Songbird
Spider-Man/Black Cat
Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
Star Sapphire (specify which)
Stargirl
Starlord/Rocket Racoon
Steel (specify which)
Strong Guy
Stryfe
Super Skrull
Supergirl
Swamp Thing
Talisman
Temugin
Terrax
The Darkness
The Incredible Hulk (specify which)
The Joker/Harley Quinn
The Midnighter
The Punisher
The Savage Dragon
The Shapesmith
The Shark (Karshon)
The Thing
The Wrecker/Thunderball
Tiger Shark
Titania
Toxin
Ultra-boy
Umbra
Unus the Untouachable
US Agent
Vandal Savage
Venom (specify Eddie Brock or Mac Gargan)
Vermin
Vindicator
Violater
Volcana
Vulcan
Wade Elling (Shaggy Man)
War Machine
Warbird
Witchblade
Wonder Man
Wonder Woman
Yellow Lantern(specify which)


MI-13
Pete Wisdom
Faiza Hussain
Spitfire
Death's Head II
Motormouth
Killpower
Black Knight
Union Jack



Runaways/Young Avengers
Chase
Hawkeye
Hulkling
Karolina Dean
Klara Prast
Molly Hayes
Nico
Old Lace
Patriot
Speed
Stature
Victor
Vision
Wiccan
Xavin

Sinister Six
Dr. Octopus
Electro
Hobgoblin
Kraven the Hunter
Mysterio
Sandman
Shocker
Vulture

Teen Titans
Aquagirl
Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes)
Miss Martian
Ravager
Red Devil
Red Robin (Tim Drake)
Solstice
Static
Superboy
Wonder Girl

X-Men
Angel
Anole
Armor
Beast
Bishop
Bling!
Blindfold
Boom-Boom
Dazzler
Dust
Frenzy
Gambit
Gentle
Graymalkin
Hellion
Husk
Iceman
Match
Mercury
Nightcrawler
Pixie
Psylocke
Rockslide
Rogue
Surge
Storm
Transonic
Velocidad
Woverine
X-23

 

also... list update anyone?

my 2 cents on the power of draft lists is maybe having everything broken up. like instead of just a power list, you have a mid power list as well. you have two picks from the top end power list, four from the mid, and then four from the bottom. that way you still have to think about everything, but you also still have those fun characters around that could shelack everything as well. but everyone ultimately does matter. so what if people can still draft poorly, since when is drafting about holding people's hands and making sure that they do well? that's never been the case in any draft i've been in. the people that know what they're doing will do well, the people that draft poorly will either learn, go home, or... just keep drafting poorly i guess. i don't see why that particularly matters one way or the other.

EDIT

oh. thanks luigi, did it before i could even ask. although you're missing the last three picks on there.

 

I still like the tier system I mentioned in the discussion thread.

Have 3 tiers. 4 picks from each tier. 1 character benched from each tier. 2 preparation times, 1 for each of the lower tiers.

The characters from each tier have to fight other characters from that tier only.

That keeps powerful people in, but makes the less powerful characters viable for play.

Batman, Deadpool, Taskmaster, etc. These are all really fun characters but they have no place in this draft from what I see. That is unfortunate, and correctable.

I almost forgot.

 

Bats has had his share of wins with prep time

 

I couldn't see him beating more than 3 to 4 people picked through the first 4 rounds, mostly the ones picked in round 4&5, and I would question even those.

 

Well that was ironic, huh Batman? Clearly Amatsu hasn't been introduced to this places man love of the Bat. You'll find that quite a few people here believe that certain prepped characters are gods. Batman is certainly one of them, not the best of the prepsters though, not by a long shot. Personally I don't see him beating anyone drafted thus far, maybe the supers if you wanna be sillystupid about his ring or table tossing Apoc? I don't see him getting much going in THIS draft.


I don't see how the tier draft system would fix the problem of power. Against certian teams single characters could be team busters. A prepped Cable vs no TP/TK resistant team takes a win solo. Should we axe (and not the spray) him? Like I said if we keep trimming off the top making a new top tier list every draft eventually the best picks are going to be... Hawkman or something stupid.

 

Look - I'm not saying this kind of draft isn't fun. It's just a bit silly, is all. It's like when you play NCAA Football and get to year 5 of your dynasty and have back-to-back-to-back-to-back #1 recruiting classes. And none of them are busts because it's a video game. Yeah, it's fun to play that season and have the top three candidates for the Heisman. But it's a different kind of fun than playing with a middle-tier Big Ten team and trying to win a National Title.

Also - I was one of those in favor of a PL, but I'm not so sure. I'm also pretty sure I wouldn't want three tiered lists. That seems like a lot of work, a lot of hand holding, and some seriously bad discussion on who belongs on each tier.

How about each draft, we drop everyone picked in the top two- or four-rounds of the previous draft? Then we don't add them back in until we reach a point where no one is happy with how underpowered the draft list is? Maybe 5-6 drafts? Then every 6th draft is way over powered, every 6th draft is way underpowered, and 2/3rds of all drafts are in the middle.

But - that's discussion for after this draft, right? We need to finish this one out and see who has the best over-stacked team in the multiverse.

 

I should note that this is exactly why I wanted to start so fast. No one ever talks about anything until the draft has already started, so I figured once we got going everyone would express their opinions, and so they have.

 

Nick Saban would disagree with you on those back-to-back-to-back recruiting classes.

How about we just drop everyone that's not human? Yeah that'll solve everything.