Got way behind, unfortunately, but definitely want to respond to this. I can certainly understand your reasons for not liking KOTOR II's place in the Star Wars galaxy, but I think those are the things that I love about it. I don't have the emotional attachment to Star Wars that many posters here do: I don't mind things being subverted or changed, as long as I enjoy the outcome. To this day, I can only scratch my head at some of the backlash to Traitor, with old fans of the movies claiming it betrays their vision of Star Wars by eschewing a black and white light side/dark side view of things, especially when that philosophy was presented as merely an alternative, rather than a replacement for the old. Nah, the reason I like Star Wars is that it's so very large, so impossible to fully comprehend. Yeah, if you're feeling cynical, you could make the argument that it's all the same story told over and over, with settings and characters changed. But those arc words, "truth depends heavily on the point of view" (or something to that effect) fits Star Wars perfectly. Certain things are constant, of course. That's what creates a compelling and believable universe one wants to spend large amount of time exploring. But at the same time, it's a very, very large galaxy, and what is absolute law for one story may not be so for the next. The most appealing thing about KOTOR II, for me, is of course the writing. And the thing I love about the writing is that it's so willing to turn Star Wars lore on its head, while still staying true to the overall spirit of the larger universe (more on this later). When Chris Avellone said his team read the entire EU to make sure they would not be telling a story at all similar to anything that had been done before... well, after playing KOTOR II, I believe them. Though frankly, I think they could have skipped the EU reading and have been reasonably confident they were doing something new, but it was a great gesture, and one that undoubtedly helped with minor details. But like I said, I do feel KOTOR II stays true to the universe, even if it subverts it a bit. For example, I never got the impression that the Exile was a being who lived without the Force. The Force is, after all, always presented as an omniscient, well, force, one that touches everything, one that has no inherit bias even as it has a will, one that is deeply connected to all living things. That's the Jedi Exile to the letter. When she willingly disconnected herself from the Force, I don't believe she began to live without it; rather, she began to live without it in the way Han Solo does, or any other non Force sensitive being. She's a wound in the Force the way an ysalamiri is. It's her connection to the Force that specifically allows her to wound it. She was able to step back from it, and by doing so, avoid following Revan into the dark side, and saved the galaxy rather than help conquer it. That, of course, is merely my interpretation, but I believe by wounding the Force, she's as close to it as someone like Revan is, and arguably more so than the Jedi masters who attempted to sever her. I acknowledge your point on Nihilus. However, I tend to view him less as a Sith Lord, and more an utterly twisted perversion of the Dark side, an avatar for it. In truth, one of my favorite things about KOTOR II is how utterly terrifying it makes the Sith Lords. Darth Sion, Nihilus and Traya are the greatest embodiments of the evil nature of the dark side since Vader and Sidious, in my opinion. Sidious represents the Sith's desperate clinging to life, an immortality that leaves them in a state where most would envy death; Nihilus represents the inhumane hunger for power, though with Nihilus it's meaningless, used to sustain an absolute monster; and Traya represents the arrogance of the Sith, the desire to know more than the Jedi. Nihilus appears incredibly powerful, but we know he has limits; he cannot kill the Exile, obviously, and he was subservient to Kreia. His greatest accomplishment was draining the life of Katarr, and I believe I remember it mentioning that his strength was amplified by several times, due to the strong presence of the Force on that world. Even so, Sidious has proven himself fully capable of destroying worlds, so I can't agree that Sidious, or any of the Sith in the game, dwarf him. It should be noted that Sion, Nihilus, and Traya are not truly of the "New Sith"; that's the Sith we see in TOR. For good or for ill, we find out first hand that heresay is often more impressive than reality. The True Sith are impressive in numbers, but they are not stronger than the light. I believe that the Exile proves this Kreia as she dies, as she begins to truly see her student for what she is. I also can't entirely agree that Kreia is a Sith "fanboy", mostly because she seems to have as much disdain for the Sith as the Jedi, and uses them merely as a means to an end. Despite her "Darth" moniker, I'd readily classify her as a "gray". Can't argue with the logic on the Jedi purge. It doesn't bother me that much, since it's such a vast and long lived galaxy, and one that happened thousands of years before the movies. It was also, ultimately, a much less successful purge, as I believe several hundred Jedi survived, and in less than 300 years, the Jedi order was as strong as it had ever been, maybe stronger. Plus, there's something very satisfying about having your crew go on to reestablish the order. Perhaps I'm merely justifying, but I view the "First Purge" as not really a purge, but a scattering, a warning for the Jedi to stay out of sight. Many Jedi die, including the council, but they're still very much alive. Palpatine's purge is utter hopelessness for twenty years. Can't comment on Legacy, as I have not read it, but it doesn't have the excuse of taking place to long after Palpatine's purge. But y'know, your mileage may vary on all of this.