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Lit The damage caused by the Vong

Discussion in 'Literature' started by General Immodet, Mar 23, 2013.

  1. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 4

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    As everyone knows, the Vong caused a lot of damage.
    Coruscant and other planets were forever changed.
    Some planets (like Sernpidal) were destroyed.

    However, the EU often depicts planets undamaged in the post-YV War Time Period.
    I think the consequences of the Vong War were shown in a unique way in the Legacy comic series.
    More specific, when Cade journeys to Coruscant to rescue that Bothan Jedi he turned in.
    Later on, Wayland is shown as a world that has been ravaged by the terraforming project.
    The terraforming project can also been seen as a consequence of the YV War.

    Many novels (FOTJ) often do not mention the damage inflicted by the Vong.
    The ST probably will not show the consequences of the YV War either.

    Thoughts!
     
  2. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Force Ghost star 6

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    [​IMG]

    "Holy smokes, Batman, the Senate District already looks just like it did before the war!"
    "That it does, Boy Wonder. Reminds me of the day the ExileGeneral Surik reformed the Jedi Order, but the next day it was right back the way it was again."

    Star Wars has a habit of not really recognising change that much. (Except when it's to insist on referring to a character by a stupid name.) :p
     
  3. blackmyron

    blackmyron Force Ghost star 6

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    You've summed up the major problem people have with the three post-NJO series. TUF had Coruscant wrecked so badly that the capital had to be moved elsewhere, and that it would take "at least a decade" to make it manageable - yet the Dark Nest trilogy set a few years later, already has them back. The Vong invasion is mostly glossed over apart from token mentions; the Vong themselves barely even show up. Yet Legacy, set a hundred years down the road, has all these features.
     
  4. Nom von Anor

    Nom von Anor Jedi Knight star 2

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    No one remembers poor Kalarba :( As a fan of the old Droids comics, I was sorry to see that planet and its moon destroyed. I wish there was a scene from Artoo and Threepio's point of view, showing their reaction to the news(or reminiscing about their adventures there)
     
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  5. Mia Mesharad

    Mia Mesharad Jedi Master star 4

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    The Legacy comics and the Mandalore portions of Legacy of the Force were the only two instances that readily come to mind of stories actually depicting real and lasting damage left over from the Yuuzhan Vong. It's pretty ridiculous that outside of sourcebooks, hardly anyone seems all that interested in acknowledging the war and its lingering scars.
     
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  6. FatSmel

    FatSmel Jedi Knight star 3

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    Dark Nest actually heavily involves the change to Coruscant. while the Jedi and government are back there, there are no tall buildings and it's basically still a vongformed world.
    The problem arises in LOTF where all of a sudden Coruscant is back to normal. That was a real disappointment.
     
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  7. Roberto Calrissian

    Roberto Calrissian Jedi Knight star 4

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    Haven't read dark nest so I'll have to look into this
     
  8. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Even Mandalore is pretty wtf here as any world that gave the Vong more trouble than it was worth was Vong formed or simply made unlivable, so there really should be nothing alive there at all.
     
  9. Mia Mesharad

    Mia Mesharad Jedi Master star 4

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    They tried to make Mandalore unlivable. Dropped singularity bombs on the land, ripping out giant craters, they leveled forests, poisoned farmland soil, and managed to kill approximately one third of the population. But the Mandalorians defeated them, killing what they could and driving off the rest before they could finish the job, and it took more than a decade for the planet to begin showing signs of recovery.
     
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  10. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Thing is they turned Ithor into black goo just out of spite, they should have done much worse to a world that really resisted them. Just bombing the place is also not really how the Vong do things, they will seed it, which has potential much worse long term consequences.
     
  11. FatSmel

    FatSmel Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yeah but Karen Traviss (the one who decided all this) didn't want Mandalore to be unlivable.
     
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  12. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    And Mandalore wasn't high in plant life that would have allowed a bioweapon to work.

    The Mandalorians would have just withdrew to the deserts. ;)

    Story-wise, the galaxy has recovered enough to get back to business, but not enough that we can't have Vong-issue-oriented stories, fundamentally.

    Some worlds have recovered very little by 40 ABY e.g. Mandalore, or simply don't until the Ossus Project e.g. Wayland.
     
  13. Mechalich

    Mechalich Jedi Knight star 4

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    The rapid recovery situation developed as a result of the fervent desire by the powers that be to move away from all things Yuuzhan Vong. The justification for this involved changing the nature of the war - emphasizing New Republic mismanagement and the demilitarized nature of the galaxy in 25 ABY in order to make the invasion proportionally smaller compared to the massive nature of the galaxy as a whole. One example: the Yuuzhan Vong War casualty estimate is generally given as hundreds of trillions. Well, compared to a 100 quadrillion galactic population, that's less than 1%. WWII, by contrast, caused casualties equivalent to 2.5% of the global population at the time.

    So the Yuuzhan Vong War inflicted damage that was huge in absolute terms, but ultimately not as huge compared to the overall galaxy as the NJO novels seem to imply. In that context its not unreasonable that Coruscant, which has an artificial biosphere and effectively limitless reconstruction funding, would be rebuilt very rapidly. Indeed, much of the damaged core may have been similar. The damage lingered in the Mid and Outer Rims not because the capability for rapid restoration wasn't there, but because the money wasn't behind it.
     
  14. Chewbacca89

    Chewbacca89 Jedi Master star 5

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    In FOTJ, wasn't there a news segment that depicted the under city of Coruscant and how it had been affected by the Vong war?
     
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    And the total population would have been even larger, counting bits that were never part of the Republic- the Unknown Regions, and Hutt Space.

    The Unifying Force gives "the figure most often quoted" as 365 trillion dead.
     
  16. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 4

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    The old Droid comics were great! They were amusing and entertaining. At least, they did not deal with the whole "save the Galaxy" stuff.
    I wonder if we will ever see Olag Greck again. I really liked him. By the way, if you are watching TCW, I think Seripas looks a bit like him. Maybe they could retcon him into being Greck's species.
     
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  17. FatSmel

    FatSmel Jedi Knight star 3

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    There's lots of bits and pieces from LOTF and FOTJ that mention vong-forming of coruscant, Like in Tempest with the whole scene with the World Brain. But i think the problem people have with it is that it isn't quite enough.
    I tend to agree, not because it is unrealistic per se, but because it was a great opportunity to have an exciting new background to the SW universe, but instead they went back and made coruscant/jedi etc the exact same as they were in every other source over thousands of years.
     
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  18. Nom von Anor

    Nom von Anor Jedi Knight star 2

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    Yes, I see the resemblance. But iirc Seripas was a really tiny fellow. Still, it could work; maybe he was considered a runt among his species. Stranger retcons have certainly been made(one example that comes to mind is Sk'ar from the Marvel Comics, who was retconned into being a Kaleesh!)
     
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  19. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The planet was completely overrun by a hostile biosphere, and, in a fact often forgotten, it had tectonic hell played on it by Zonama Sekot's entry into the system. Plus, it's an entire city-world. We're not talking rebuilding New Orleans here -- we're talking about thoroughly checking, clearing, and rebuilding an entire planet of dense infrastructure. There's a reason that the estimate given for cleanup was a decade, and a handwaved "Oh, we did a three-year rush job, at the expense of massive resources that could have gone to rebuilding dozens of other, less fortunate planets, in an egregiously symbolic act of political egocentrism" just doesn't cut it.
     
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  20. Mechalich

    Mechalich Jedi Knight star 4

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    I didn't say it was a good justification, just that was what the justification was.

    Though perhaps we're all underestimating the industrial power of the Star Wars galaxy a bit here. The Empire was, after all, able to build, in secret, using resources it was capable of hiding completely, an object roughly the size of Pluto in less than two decades (Death Star II).

    The real problem with the rapid reconstruction of Coruscant is not that it happens, but that there are apparently Yuuzhan Vong things still crawling all over the planet. The quick way to rebuild everything would have been just to bombard Coruscant from orbit down to the foundations and build everything new.
     
  21. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    The size given for the DS2 doesn't really match up with the size given for Endor. And more importantly, the statement in the RoTJ novel that it was "nearly twice as big" as the original.

    Pluto is more than 2000 km in diameter- even the biggest estimates put the DS2 as less than half that.

    Still- even going with the smallest estimates, it's a very big object.
     
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  22. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    The reason Vong damage is ignored is because EVERYTHING MUST BE CAUSED BY THE SITH according to EU logic.
     
  23. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Force Ghost star 6

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    These days, I'm genuinely surprised they haven't reversed their original ideas about the Vong having been the race who corrupted the Sith and written a story about these innocent extragalactic refugees having been visited by an agent from the Sith and corrupted. :p
     
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  24. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    Not "Denning logic"?
     
  25. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    There's also the Legacy comics and the Old Republic era.