Lit The Dark Nest Trilogy - worth reading?

As someone who has had a family member die from cancer, I found it rather tasteless.

 

I've had family members and a best friend die of it. Your point?

And Vthuil, it's a) not Godwin'ing (maybe Google that term), and b) it was really excessive in that book. Made Yoda look weak for struggling to lift an X-Wing. Troy Denning is a monster and the new KJA.

 

I just made my point up there. You have a real gift for hyperbole.

And Denning isn't the new KJA. Denning is far worse than even KJA ever was. KJA just made Daala incompetent, Denning put her in charge of the freaking galaxy.

 

Eh. Hmm. I... Well...

As has been said, it is the beginning of a downslide that has made some, perhaps many of us, discard the post-NJO from our personal canon. But, I have to admit I actually rather enjoyed the DNT. In the same mindless way you can enjoy a crappy action film; turn your brain off, and stare vacantly at all the words.

 

...Comparing something to the Taliban is at least fairly parallel to comparing it to the Nazis.

 

I mean, Karen Traviss compared people to the Taliban. Eugh.

 

Now who is godwin'ing?

 

Best post all thread.

 

....Troy? Is that you?

 

I'm also kind of wondering if I should just stop at the NJO, or at least skip Dark Nest

Namely because someone I know described the Dark Nest Trilogy as "Bug Sex"

 

Yes. Spare yourself the terribleness, unless you want a first hand experience of why the whole Legends thing was necessary even without Episode VII.

I once saw someone seriously suggest that the sequel trilogy should be an adaption of Legacy of the Force. Seriously.

 

Basically, Dork Nest is one of the reasons why canon is better off dead.

 

Though still utterly harmless compared to LOTF and FOTJ

 

They gave me the creeps as a ten year old. Haven't gone back since. And that wasn't even the bug stuff; from the first chapter it just felt....wrong.

 

I was thinking a while back that the only reason DNT really exists is to give a reason for Allana to exist. Everything else of note it does either was repeated in Betrayal (establish JINO as going to the dark side) or could have been done (whitewashing/overwriting the end of NJO in a chapter or two) or was overturned by Denning later on (the completely shocking twist that Jag was still alive).

 

Wait, when did he "die" in the DNT?

(...And do I even care?)

 

Huh. 2005. That would make you, what, 19 now? Was it really almost a decade ago? Stop making me feel old, dammit!

Spoiler

 

The Joiner King has the dubious honour of being amongst the worst SW books I've read.

The principal reason being that, though not an NJO fan, I found what TUF had set up to be very interesting indeed and TJK obliterates that utterly.

At the end of TUF, it looked like SW was going in a morally complex direction; TJK immediately boiled that down to a horribly reductive: Yay! Jedi can Force Lightning yer arse without worrying about the dark side because there isn't one!

Also, instead of taking the opportunity of working why people didn't like the surviving Solo brats and fixing it in a positive way, the trilogy throws them both under a train, one becoming an arrogant arse - exactly what I didn't like about Jacen in NJO and Jaina just gets mind-frelled. It's the strategy of: Let's boost Luke, Han and Leia by making their kids look incredibly dumb.

 

Oh there is so much worse stuff out there, though I agree that the largest thing you can blame it for is wasting the NJO ending, but everything was still fixable after Dark Nest, sadly then LOTF happened

 

I wouldn't call it a good trilogy, though there were a few moments that ranged from almost good to half-decent. Along with a lot of cringe-worthy stuff. It also helps set the tone for LotF, but I wouldn't call that a good thing. It does not act as an epilogue for the NJO saga (TUF already does a great job of wrapping up all the major plot lines).

I'm not sure my memory is accurate, but years ago when they first came out, I didn't think they were that bad. Quite a few stupid moments, but it wasn't absolutely awful. Now, years later, I can't stand how many elements from this book would pop up in LotF and FotJ, all leading to just a colossal mess of things, all for nothing really.

If you want to read everything, as well as see how certain plots in LotF and FotJ started up, DNT is tolerable. But it would be better to just avoid DNT, LotF and FotJ altogether.

 

Wow, I din't expect there to be so much hate for the post NJO books.
But from what many of you are saying, if I'm getting this right, that if I play to read FOTJ (and I do) then I really do need to read the DNT.

 

If you want a real sequel to NJO, here's a far better suggestion: Go read X-Wing: Mercy Kill!

 

Yes, you need to read DNT if you plan to read the books beyond. They affect a lot of the characterizations and character relationships, especially Jacen, Jaina, Ben, Jag, and even Tenel Ka. Hopefully the others can agree on that.

Guess again. There are (very few of us), who are actually Denning fans.

I totally forgot about the Force lightning. And I'd agree--the trilogy really does throw the Solo kids under the train once again, although I was once of those (again, few) people that actually liked them from the beginning and still liked them in this trilogy. Despite the lack of explanation, I thought Jacen's philosophy made sense for his characters; similarly, I felt that Jaina's actions made complete sense as well. That girl has always had serious abandonment issues.

I never believed he died. It's pretty well known that Denning is a Jaina/Zekk shipper. I get the feeling he tried to kill Jag off, but left in ambiguous so he wouldn't get into trouble. And then I like to think that Allston--who's said that Jag is one of his favorite characters t write--was all, "Yeah, no. You bring that boy back right now."