The Dawn of a Mary Sue.. The Bria Tharen HATERS club.

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  1. jewlmc Jedi Master

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    Ok this is for those of us that HATE and detest the Mary sue known as Bria Tharen. Han's supposed "first wuv." or worse yet in SOME people's mind "true love"

    *Takes a moment to retch*

    Oh how sweet...she says practically the same things to Han as Leia does..."Scruffy...I believe "nerfherder..."

    Oh yes..that's right...Han is thinking about Bria when interacting with Leia...kay...

    Wasn't Han's proposal to her so ROMANTIC..on the beach and all...

    Meanwhile in the EU Han's proposal to Leia consisted of a plea to stay out of prison..*PUKE!*

    I mean isn't it wonderful how Blighta was the one(of many it would seem) to steal the deathstar plans? One of the first Rebels..so much more important than Leia of course

    Oh my god there are sooo many reasons to hate this "Exaltation addict" I could be here all day.

    Now look...as with Matress Laid...ooops I mean Mara Jade...I KNOW that there are fans of this character. Fine, that's good for you. Will you please respect those of us that can't stand her? At least in this thread? Thank you in advance.
  2. Tara Jedi Knight

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    Ooh! *raises hand* I'll join!

    Bria has to be the worst Mary Sue in EU history. Didn't the author ever think that sometimes "less is more", and making Bria Han's first love whom he pines over for ten years, the founder of the Rebellion, the one who convinced Bail to join, and the stealer of the Death Star plans was just a *tad* overboard? And the whole thing about Bria being the reason for "I know" in ESB was just insulting to the movies. Puh-leaze, talk about contrived ::rolleyes::

    Here's a great list on why Bria is the worst EU character. Bria Mary Sue list

    I can't take credit, Adi (my partner in crime) wrote it :)
  3. mena_lyn Jedi Knight

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    Whee for Bria Haters! *brings a cart of Bria Burgers from Han's Deli*

    Let the party begin. :D
  4. Jedi15 Jedi Youngling

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    I've never had the (dis)pleasure of reading the books that featured Bria Tharen, but from what Shelley and others have told me, she sounds like yet another atrocious Mary Sue cooked up by the EU authors. And to have some of Leia's dialogue lifted from the movies and into Bria's mouth is offensive beyond words.

    So, I'll be happy to join your club! :D
  5. ReaperFett Jedi Grand Master

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    Wasn't Han's proposal to her so ROMANTIC..on the beach and all...

    Meanwhile in the EU Han's proposal to Leia consisted of a plea to stay out of prison..*PUKE!*


    Were they the same author? Nope. Dont blame Bria/Crispin for that.


    I mean isn't it wonderful how Blighta was the one(of many it would seem) to steal the deathstar plans? One of the first Rebels..so much more important than Leia of course

    She is just as important. Her TEAM landed to distract while the techs sent the plans to Leia. Bria never took the plans in any way.


    Didn't the author ever think that sometimes "less is more", and making Bria Han's first love whom he pines over for ten years, the founder of the Rebellion, the one who convinced Bail to join, and the stealer of the Death Star plans was just a *tad* overboard?

    Would have been were it true


    I've never had the (dis)pleasure of reading the books that featured Bria Tharen, but from what Shelley and others have told me, she sounds like yet another atrocious Mary Sue cooked up by the EU authors

    You should make your own opinions up dude

    Now look...as with Matress Laid...ooops I mean Mara Jade...I KNOW that there are fans of this character. Fine, that's good for you. Will you please respect those of us that can't stand her? At least in this thread? Thank you in advance.

    I will respect it AFTER this post, as I wanted to say the main point.....




    lol, Matress Laid :)




    If you want to debate this with me btw, PM. I like debating :)
  6. Jedi15 Jedi Youngling

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    You should make your own opinions up dude

    I already have, dude, and my opinion is that Bria sucks. :)
  7. Tara Jedi Knight

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    Mmmm Bria burgers...No one can make 'em like Adi :D

    Hehe, I found this link amusing:

    Bria trash
  8. Shelley Jedi Youngling

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    Um...wasn't there a request for Bria fans/defenders/whatever to stay out of this thread?

    Here's my two cents: Bria is the biggest Mary Sue in SW ever, and one of the biggest Mary Sues in any fandom fic. She's an even bigger Mary Sue than Mattress Laid, and that's saying something.

    Even though her martyrdom is yet another of Bria's many Mary Sue characteristics, I'm glad she croaked so she couldn't have been the one who really destroyed the Death Star and the one who really won the Battle of Endor. Considering she did everything from starting the Rebellion to helping with the theft of the Death Star plans to convincing Bail Organa to join the Rebellion (I'm having a hard time picturing the Bail Organa I saw in AOTC being so bowled over by some little chickie that he decides to join her cause--the Bail Organa I saw in AOTC looked ready to start the Rebellion himself, then and there), I am sure that she would have been inserted into plenty more key events of the OT had she not been whacked.
  9. Jedi15 Jedi Youngling

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    Just a quick question: how did she die?
  10. Fire_Ice_Death Chosen One

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    It was a good thread, a parody thread, a haters' thread. But the HC was created to bind all these threads together. :p
  11. Tara Jedi Knight

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    She died as a martyr transmitting the Death Star plans to Leia's ship. Supposedly had it not been for her bravery in transmitting the plans, the Rebellion would have fallen. Han finds out about her death one day before ANH and gets all grief-stricken. The author said later that she killed Bria because it was the only way Han could be "free" to start a relationship with Leia later. Ugh.
  12. Jedi_Suzuran Jedi Grand Master

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    Whoa, count me in.
    I read those books, but I didn't like 'em, so I have selective amnesia with them, but I will gladly join.
    This has to be a prime example of Mary Sueism.

    What a waste of good paper.
    Those poor trees.


    To think that some idiot chick 'convinced' Bail to join the Rebellion. Laughable. He may have worn a god-awful turtleneck in the movie, but Bail Organa has more conviction and brains to be so easily persuaded to take a treacherous course.
    Spare me.

    Thank the Great Force she croaked.

    And to any Bria defenders, leave us to our hate. Really. It'll be better for all concerned.
  13. Shelley Jedi Youngling

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    LOL! That turtleneck was pretty bad, wasn't it?

    At the very most, Bria could've given him some fashion tips.
  14. Fire_Ice_Death Chosen One

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    Ahem....I'll repeat, the Haters' Community would be the best place for this discussion. :)
  15. Jedi_Suzuran Jedi Grand Master

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    No way, Shelley.
    Then she would have had more pride stuffed in her cause she gave out 'perfect' fashion tips to her admirers, making her wiser.
    No thank you.
    I prefer the turtleneck, than that.
  16. Jedi15 Jedi Youngling

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    She died as a martyr transmitting the Death Star plans to Leia's ship. Supposedly had it not been for her bravery in transmitting the plans, the Rebellion would have fallen. Han finds out about her death one day before ANH and gets all grief-stricken. The author said later that she killed Bria because it was the only way Han could be "free" to start a relationship with Leia later. Ugh.

    That's...interesting.
  17. Guinastasia Force Ghost

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    I can't stand Bria, either, although I'm not really interested in a club about it.

    I do have a question though-what happened that she was the reason Han said "I know" in ESB? Color me confused!
  18. jewlmc Jedi Master

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    Um sorry but I don't see why we can't have our own thread discussing just Bria and the Bria Tharen Trilogy...ooops I mean the Han Solo Trilogy *rolls eyes* There is a Mara haters club and others plus plenty of "The so-and so's fan club" threads out there. Perhaps those should be consolidated to the "Love community?"

    And on another note.. isn't it funny that even though I put it in friggen BOLD some people(ReaperFett) STILL can't help themselves?
  19. ReaperFett Jedi Grand Master

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    I heard that Crispin had to kill her actually, to finish the arc.




    The exact death was a suicide pill btw
  20. jewlmc Jedi Master

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    Oh...how, um selfless...
  21. Crazy_Vasey Jedi Master

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    It was Kyle Katarn who stole those plans dammit not Bria *shakes fist*
  22. Shelley Jedi Youngling

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    I've heard any number of reasons why Briarf was whacked, ranging from she was killed so she could be a martyr (Mary Sue trait) and thus Han would forgive her betrayal of him; to she was killed so Han would be left free to be with Leia (so everyone would think that he wouldn't have fallen for Leia if Briarf hadn't died); to Crispin killed her off so no other EU author could write her and mischaracterize her.
  23. jewlmc Jedi Master

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    Actually it...*sigh* nevermind.
  24. Crazy_Vasey Jedi Master

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    Seriously isn't there like three stories about who stole the plans or something? Someone screwed up bigtime allowing them all to go through I thought editors were supposed to deal with this sort of thing.
  25. Shelley Jedi Youngling

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    Here's another Bria/Mary Sue list from the thread that Tara linked to earlier. I don't know who wrote it (it says "guest") in the author space, but it's great:

    I just wanted to post something about Mary Sues and the HST. This is a list by someone named Steve which I think everyone should see. I agree with the list whole-heartedly. Perhaps Crispin should have distanced herself from her one desires when she wrote the HST.

    Alright, Bria tops ANY Mary Sue I have EVER read, SW or not. When I finished the books I thought, "Good grief, I just read one huge Mary Sue fanfic!" How contrived is it that she started the Rebellion, she was Han's first true love, AND stole the Death Star plans with her bare hands??!!

    Have you ever taken the Mary Sue litmus test with her? Bria scores off the charts!

    Lessee here:

    - red-gold hair - NUMBER ONE sign of Mary Sue-ism

    - beautiful

    - Han falls for her on sight

    - falls in love with/has sex with the main hero

    - breaks the main hero's heart

    - said main hero pines away for her for ten years

    - hero worships her like there's no tomorrow


    - completley downplays and minimizes other women in Han's life, Xaverri, etc. to focus on her pet character. Crystal Star said Han loved Xaverri, may have ended up with her if she hadn't left, why is she given about three pages in THG? Han names his ship after Bria while seeing Salla, another girlfriend who was downplayed?

    - More Mary Sue-isms:

    - can speak Wookiee

    - pitch-perfect singing voice

    - single-handedly starts the Rebellion (and you thought Mon Mothma and Bail did! Pfft..)

    - gets Alderaan into the Rebellion

    - is an angel to the Rebellion troops

    - even moves the heart of Boba Fett, fearless bounty hunter!

    - animals like her

    - can easily manipulate guys with her looks and coyness

    - all the Han/Bria stuff is pure Mary-Sueism, won't go into details

    - steals the Death Star plans

    - biggest Mary Sue offense of all: dies. At least Hambly had the dignity to have her Mary Sue leave with grace when her and Luke realized it was not meant to be. Crispin pulled the ultimate Mary Sue and offed Bria with some mentality "If she can't have him, no one will" and implied Han was on the rebound in ANH. Ugh....


    Just wanted to share this little thing will you all.
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