Amph Here's Some Money, Go See A Swap Thing: DCU/Elseworlds Discussion

I absolutely remember this. Even Snyder saying "Well if we're putting Bats in, who else can we add" and the clown car was born.

 

Yeah, I have looked up news sites. In fact, I was reading those news sites in the wake of MOS. Maybe that it was happened. But in regards to what I asked for from Sith_Sensei_Prime, none of those quotes reflect his position- they are absolutely his spin on them.

I have yet to see a quote from anyone related to the production stating that BvS came about due to "backlash" against Man of Steel.

 

I remember this question was asked to the DC creators at the premiere of Son of Batman at the 2014 WonderCon and they answered the target audience at the people that play video games like GTA and other adult oriented games. That's the market that has the disposable income they're making these movies for as they the ones most likely going to spend their money.

You're correct, much like Gavin Hood didn't apologize for sewing Deadpool's mouth shut in X-Men Origins. Neither Snyder or WB/DC has came out and directly said that BvS was derived due to the "backlash" against Man of Steel. I don't expect Snyder to bad mouth his previous film when he has a new one coming out and is set to direct the Justice League, especially after losing the game of chicken to Marvel's Captain America: Civil War. It's smart of Snyder and WB not to say anything negative of their "Iron Man" film (the movie that launch their cinematic universe). However, it was very clear that there was a proper Man of Steel sequel in the works and that Batman might be something to throw in a the end of that sequel. Ever since Man of Steel dropped, Zack Snyder had to defend the final act of that movie. Snyder has been listening to all the criticisms, which was evident when he called into a Detroit talk show to defend Aquaman. I think it's naive to think that the backlash or public opinion doesn't influence a studio and director. It's the public overwhelmingly positive response to the "leaked" test footage that greenlit the Deadpool film.

By this statement, I don't believe you're naive enough to believe that the backlash didn't result in Batman vs. Superman as oppose to a Man of Steel sequel.

 

Because of that doubling down and retaining the supporting cast from MOS, to me this is still the sequel to MOS. Just not the one intended.

 

Not to play Devil's Advocate here, but is it really fair to lay all of the blame for everything wrong with MoS solely at Snyder's feet? A blockbuster movie like MoS is a massive production. Though Goyer's script was crap and Snyder did indulge himself on the destruction porn, there were always other people around them (from the producers to other studio suits) that could've suggested - if not outright order - to make changes to the film if, in their eternal wisdom, what they saw or read don't impress them too much. Perhaps that was the case here?

 

He was the one who specifically talked Nolan (as godfather on the film) into the Superman killing Zod bit.

So no, it's totally fair to blame him and Goyer both.

 

lol, had you never seen that before?

 

I stand by MoS being a near masterpiece despite what a minority with questionable taste believes.

 

Jesus. The defense quits.

 

The correct analogy would be that "Civil War" is a sequel to not only "The Winter Soldier", but to "Age Of Ultron" since it carries on the stories and themes from those two films.

 

The DC creators must have no concept of how much money gets spent on kids, then.

 

I wish they'd look at the $700m+ spent on SW merchandise and just make stuff. I may not watch their movies but I'm all about silly branded toys and clothing.

 

Ultimately, I don't think it matters. Folks will take their kids to see a Batman, Superman and WW movie - and then buy the toys, cereal boxes and whatnot - because the kids will probably demand it and the folks will comply if only not to please the entitled little ****. Whether the kids end up traumatized after the 2.5 hour ordeal is another matter.

 

I really don't mind that some of DC's animated films are adult oriented. It's very anime like that way. Moreover, it's probably the only medium where a Batman feature film could be told in a mature manner. I mean, the highly anticipated The Killing Joke is something that I don't think most people who read the comic book want to be tone down for a PG audience.

 

Or they don't care. The animated films were initially targeted at teens and adults when the started up ten years ago. That's why they were PG-13 to begin with. And parents are more content these days to give their kids tablets and smart phones with apps that they can play with, as opposed to spending money on action figures. So they can just target the films at older folks who would watch it anyway. "Beware The Batman", "Young Justice" and "Green Lantern" didn't do well on television. And they didn't even bother to create an animated Superman series.

Besides, it would explain why the animated films are either Batman ones or JLA ones, with the occasional kid friendly film.

Indeed. Look at the furor over "Return Of The Joker" being re-edited to make it PG. So many older fans had protested until WB finally relented and released the PG-13 version. I just take issue with it only be Batman and JLA. At least a few years ago you had four solo Superman films, five Batman centric films, two Green Lantern films, two films where Superman and Batman were teaming up, four JLA films, one Wonder Woman film and the Showcase collection. It was a bit more diverse. Not a whole lot more diverse, but more diverse than right now.

Well, I was never traumatized by "Temple Of Doom". I did react when I was six. But I would have still gotten the Indy figures if I had known about them. By the time "Batman Returns" came out, I was fourteen and already was watching horror films and R rated action films. Plus, I had read "The Dark Knight Returns" when I was twelve. Didn't bother me in the slightest.

 

Young Justice would have fared MUCH better if CN had been more consistent with their airing of the show. It wasn't entirely the show's fault it failed.

 

Young Justice was a great animated series as there was a seriousness to it and good story telling. And all the characters had pretty much equal time and importance to the overall series.

From what I remember, it was so much the ratings that killed off the series but that it couldn't sell toys. I'm a toy collector and the figures were pretty expensive.