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ST Lightsaber Combat in the ST

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Canyon D, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. Canyon D

    Canyon D Jedi Knight star 4

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    For those who have seen the film, where would you list the lightsaber duel in your all-time favorite lightsaber duels?

    Mav Edit: Changed title to encompass more conversation about the duel since it was being used that way anyway.

    TCF Edit: Changed the title. This thread now encompasses all duels and lightsaber action scenes in the ST so far.
     
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  2. FN-1138

    FN-1138 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm not sure yet. Need to see it a second time.
    It's very different to the choreographed, almost dance-like duels in the Prequels. Feels more like the duel in ESB.
     
  3. Zikri

    Zikri Jedi Master star 2

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    One of my least favourite parts of the film to be honest. It was still entertaining, but it doesn't hold a candle to some of the other duels that I love.

    Although, I do like the way Kylo fights, in terms of how reckless and raw he feels.
     
  4. nightangel

    nightangel Force Ghost star 6

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    I would vote it much below both Luke vs Vader duels, also below Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon/ Maul duel. It was more realistic than Obi-Wan vs Anakin, at least until Rey maimed Kylo. So maybe I would vote it similar. [face_dunno]
     
  5. Canyon D

    Canyon D Jedi Knight star 4

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    Well I am actually one of the few people who thought the Maul fight is overrated, As long as it's more like the Luke Vader fights and not choreographed to a tee I should enjoy it.
     
  6. darthtimetraveller

    darthtimetraveller Jedi Knight star 3

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    The problem with TFA, imo, is that there's no deeply invested emotional connection to the new characters, at least not on the level of most of the duels in the other movies. Overall, i'd put TFA near the bottom of the list as far as lightsaber fights go. I felt no emotional connection to Kylo, Rey, or Finn. In ESB, RotS, and RotJ, you feel the emotion during the fight, you're connected to the characters, you're invested. Even in ANH you can almost feel the emotion when Vader confronts Obi-Wan on the DS1, even though the fight itself was not very action-packed and exciting. Knowing what happened in RotS really makes you appreciate that confrontation more. I felt that the emotion was missing in TFA. Sure, Han's death is shocking and tragic, and Kylo Ren is a frikkin weasel about it; but the same level of emotion and connection just isn't there that exists in ESB, RotS, RotJ, and post RotS ANH, or for that matter even TPM. I felt more connection to Qui-Gon than i did the new characters in TFA. Even if you're talking just pure action and excitement alone as far as the lightsaber fighting itself, it's still in the bottom half imo and not as good as ESB, RotS, or TPM; in this regard i'd say the only worse fight is ANH.
     
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  7. 11-4D

    11-4D Force Ghost star 5

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    I didn't like it. The lightsaber effects were bad, camerawork was disappointing... You could barely see a thing.
     
  8. KING_KENOBI

    KING_KENOBI Jedi Master star 2

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    It certainly did fall victim to the massive hype......ts a totally satisfactory star wars movie on par with ROTS,no TESB or ANH bt that was very obviously what it was going for...way too many callbacks ..
     
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  9. solo77

    solo77 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Twas ok, needs second viewing
     
  10. sizziano

    sizziano Jedi Master star 2

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    I noticed the sabers looked a bit off in the trailers. IDK they looked to much like light sticks and not energy beams. Is it the same in the movie?
     
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  11. Aeneas 1138

    Aeneas 1138 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Was there a duel? I must have fallen asleep for that part ....
     
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  12. Piranhaconda

    Piranhaconda Jedi Padawan star 1

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    They definitely have a different look to them compared to previous movies, a lot of which is probably owed to the fact that they used actual glowing props this time. In the night duel for example, they cast a substantial glow on the snow and characters themselves.
     
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  13. MrCody

    MrCody Jedi Knight star 1

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    The lightsaber battle at the end was disappointing in a way, Daisy Ridley was amazing through out the film but i felt she lacked in the lightsaber battle, that's my only worry off her being the main Jedi, that the lightsaber battles may be underwhelming
     
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  14. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    that's an enlightening comment.
     
  15. Sgt. Carver

    Sgt. Carver Jedi Master star 4

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    Still haven't seen it but, Rian Johnson has a better eye for action than JJ. I expect a step up in that regard in the sequel.
     
  16. Forceuser707

    Forceuser707 Jedi Knight star 4

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    The duel is more like a brawl. Happens quickly, like a street fight. I think it's more realistic than the other fights, but I think a lot of people will be unimpressed by it.

    Girls might like it though. The money shot is when Rey ignites the lightsaber.

    I prefer the Maul/Obi Wan battle in TPM though. The Luke/Vader battle in ESB is probably still the best. TFA's battle ranks above ANH.

    Really have to see it again properly to make a final judgment.
     
  17. Lord Summerisle

    Lord Summerisle Jedi Padawan

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    Rey had what appeared to be fencing moves, that stabbing motion. I enjoyed it.
     
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  18. Danfromumbrella

    Danfromumbrella Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If it's more in line with the OT battles than I'll probably love it a lot.

    Is that a fair statement to make?
     
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  19. Forceuser707

    Forceuser707 Jedi Knight star 4

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    It's like what would actually happen if you had heavy energy weapons.

    Also at first what would happen if a girl tried to take on a guy.
     
  20. titansupes

    titansupes Jedi Knight star 2

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    It was amazing. No idea where I'd rank it, but certainly right near the very top. In terms of both the choreography and the lightsabers themselves, there was actual heft and power to them.
     
  21. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I am imploring you to expand on this statement before the thread goes completely amok.
     
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  22. Forceuser707

    Forceuser707 Jedi Knight star 4

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    It's realistic. Rey doesn't do well at first, but Kylo's fatigue and her tapping into mystical energies turn the battle in her favor.
     
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  23. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I thought it was pretty boring to be honest. Not bad but not exhilarating either. I actually prefer the Phantom Menace duel.
     
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  24. Lord D'arg

    Lord D'arg Jedi Master star 3

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    Two noobies fighting, one injured, it's what I expected. If anything the duel between Kylo and Finn was better.
     
  25. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Jedi Padawan

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    I loved it. Was much closer to the prequels too which was fantastic. No stupid acrobatics.

    A clunky brawl between an injured (and still relatively inexperienced) Ren against a newbie in Rey.