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The emperor really did a mistake in ROTJ...

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Orrelios, Jun 23, 2005.

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  1. Orrelios

    Orrelios Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The mistake he did was to let the rebels know where the bunker was, and he also by the way let them know about Death Star II's weakness. Why did he let them to know about all that.
    As we know the rebels succeded with destroying the DS II.

    He also did not count the ewoks as an real threat to his "special legion" of Stormtroopers. He also, by the way, underestimated the rebels.

    It never hurts to be a little bit extra careful about some things...
     
  2. PrinceHector

    PrinceHector Jedi Youngling star 2

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    As Luke said "your overconfidence is your weakness" He believed that he had forseen everything that happened using the dark side of the force. Obviously his feelings were wrong.
     
  3. Delorean_Kenobi

    Delorean_Kenobi Jedi Master star 3

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    His other big mistake was trying to kill Vader's son. The Emperor should have remembered that Anakin tends to protect defenceless opponents screaming for help.
     
  4. Rogue...Jedi

    Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Consider, for a moment: if the Emperor had not let the rebels find what they thought was a weakness, would they have attacked with everything they could get? Against an inpregnable shield, without knowing about the generator (well protected, to the Emperor's mind) they would have dispersed even more and made it even harder for the Empire to eliminate them fully. They would have likely resorted to sabotage tactics, trying to bribe some mid-level guard on the Death Star to blow the reactor or something. Tough, but it would have been the only choice.

    Now, as for underestimating the ewoks, he definitely did make a mistake there.
     
  5. Saberwielder315

    Saberwielder315 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Anakin doesn't neccesarily protect the defenseless, he tend to protect those close to his heart. As for the DS, the Emperor was an idiot.

    I don't care how confident you are, you dont' give away the weakness to your battlestation that could win the war for you. overconfidence or not, it's just not good military strategy. He basically put himself in checkmate.

    Also, I dont' think he even knew about the Ewoks. The only time Palps was smart was when he staged the whole of the Clone Wars. he pplayed everyone.[face_shame_on_you]
     
  6. Rogue...Jedi

    Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Given how brilliantly Palpatine played the Clone Wars, I would find it hard to discount his intelligence, even when his carefully laid plans ended up going awry. I think the only miscalculation he made was in the Ewoks.
     
  7. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I've always thought that a lot of his motivation for allowing the Rebels to discover the location of the Death Star was a plot to draw Luke to him. He knew that Luke would be in on Alliance's plans to destroy the Death Star, and would be drawn to his father once he was there.
     
  8. Rogue...Jedi

    Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Right, but if you're attracting something you have to make the target look attractive. Had he not let them know about the bunker and a method to destroy it, the rebels likely wouldn't have come and neither would Luke.
     
  9. Masterskippy

    Masterskippy Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Actually, I kind of see Palpatine as a parallel of Hitler's rise and fall.

    1. Both men were extremely confident in themselves to the point it blinded them from danger. They both had a master plan (Emperor via his visions; Hitler's Mein Kampf) for what they wanted to do. And in ways, they left themselves vulnerable. Palpatine letting the Alliance know about the Death Star II, and its weakness; Hitler publishing his book, and having his enemies read it. It's well known that both Churchill and Roosevelt read the book, and constantly warned Chamberlain not to trust Hitler.

    2. Both conducted invasions or bullied peacful people in attempt to gain territory. Although, the similarities on that topic ends, because Palpatine was using his invasion as a ruse to gain more power; Hitler was already in power, but was finding ways to gain land.

    3. The elimination of the the Senate and the Reichstag.

    4. Both could use words to get what they want.

    5. Both had secret armies.

    6. Both made mistakes that ended up haunting them. Examples for Palpatine are allowing Yoda and Obi-Wan to live (although this point could be refuted that in Yoda's case; he assumed he died in his fall), underestimating Luke's resolve, and Vader's turn; Hitler's two major, glaring mistakes were Dunkirk, and opening up the Eastern front against Russia.

    7. This more a similarity with Churchill and Palpatine, but both replaced weak leaders, and lead a successful war effort against their enemies. In Palpatine's case, against the Jedi.

    8. And in the end, both self-destructed. Palpatine underestimated Vader's turn to the light, and destroying him. Hitler commited suicide, rather than be captured by the Allies.

    I could go on, but it's interesting to see that the main story is the Star Wars version of WW II.
     
  10. jedimaster11

    jedimaster11 Jedi Master star 2

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    Of course he made a mistake...he actually made two. He thought the rebels would never get the shield down, and the Death Star would swat the ships down like flys. He was also obviously mistaken that Luke would destroy his father, falling to the Dark Side, and he would end up with a "younger, more powerful" apprentice. (I interpreted that this was his real intention:He would have Luke turn, or they would destroy him..turning him would entail having Vader destroyed and replaced by Luke.) You could compare his arrogance and complaiciency with that of the Jedi Order in PT, which I'm sure was done on purpose to show how the saga had come full circle: The Force was in balance; Sith are returning, but the Jedi are too arrogant to see it coming; The shroud of Dark Side consumes everything as the Clone Wars happend, making the Jedi all but extinct; The New Hope of the Jedi comes of age; redeems his father who brings the Force back into balance by destroying the Sith, who had themselves become arrogant and complacent. That's why GL is a master storyteller. =D=
     
  11. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    How would it "win the war" for them?

    By leaking the information. Palpatine got the entire rebellion to show up in one spot. No hunting them down one by one, no eliminating one cell while another popped up, just bang you're dead.

    The trap was perfect. His actual error was the "something special" he had planned. If he'd simply let the destroyers handle it, the rebels would have been completely destroyed.
    But noooo, he's got to show off his superlaser...
     
  12. mjerome3

    mjerome3 Jedi Knight star 6

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    The Emperor was way too overconfident. He had a sick overestimation of himself. He even turned his back on Vader after telling Luke to kill him. The Emperor wanted to lure the Rebels in but his planned failed. It seemed it was working for a little while.
     
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