The Empire and Descrimination?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by senseless_apprentice, Apr 21, 2003.

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  1. senseless_apprentice Jedi Knight

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    All Imperials we have seen (excluding spies, bounty hunters, etc) have been caucasian males.

    Does that mean the empire is racist and only recruits humans? If so, why did Sidious have a Zabrak apprentice in Ep1? Could it be because Zabrak is near human? Or did Sidious blame Maul's species for his faults? Resulting in an all-human empire.
  2. spring_warm Jedi Knight

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  3. Ret Jedi Grand Master

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    Palps doesn't mind using aliens as pawns. Maul, the Nemodians, Geonosians.
  4. Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, you have to realize that being Force-sensitivity plays a lot into being chosen as an apprentice. It is possible that Palpatine found Maul and saw the potential in him - who knows, it is entirely possible that the Dark Side "clicked" inside him when he saw baby Maul. 8-}

    There is also the possibility that Palpatine's view of humans is something he developed later, after he took Maul as his apprentice - a.k.a., something might have happened during the Clone Wars era that made him loathe non-human species.

    Aunecah
  5. senseless_apprentice Jedi Knight

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    I wonder if the empire descriminated between races of humans?

    I can only recall white imperials. How about you guys?

    p.s. Lando doesn't count!

  6. Attack_of_the_Ewoks Jedi Youngling

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    dude, just don't even go there! just quit whil you're ahead! [face_plain]

    p.s. Clones are New Zealanders...
  7. senseless_apprentice Jedi Knight

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    Ahead?

    If you don't have anything to contribute, then why do you post?

    By the way, welcome to the boards. :)
  8. Darth_Tallwon Jedi Knight

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    I have observed the racial segregation of imperial officers. It is a pity, all men are created equal but not all men can serve as Imperial officers? I hope this trend will halt in ep 3.

  9. ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling

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    Well the Empire obviously discriminates against non-humans, they even enslaved several alien species

    I don't know about the racial segregation but it wouldn't shock me

    But I think it only helps gives us an idea of what kind of organization the Empire is, it helps us know that they are discriminators and overall bastards
  10. PMT99 Force Ghost

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    They don't even have women working for the Empire.

    Not 1.
  11. Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, if EU counts as anything, then there's Admiral Dala (sp.?)

    Aunecah
  12. Moog Force Ghost

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    I think it would be good if they did show some of this explicitly. It could show how scaremongering, bigotry and loss of freedom go hand-in-hand with this kind of political regime. Not that anyone really needs to be told that...
  13. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    The Emperor (and thus the Empire) was very prejudiced against non-humans. They were only used when it suited Palpatine's purposes, or they were exceptionally skilled.
  14. SomeRandomNerd Force Ghost

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    As far as the films go, look at them in order.

    TPM & AOTC- no particular pattern regarding men, women, white, black, human or aliens.

    AOTC- lots and lots of white men are being manufactured.

    ANH, ESB, ROTJ- Empire is entirely made up of white men.


    You don't need to put discrimination in there to make an explanation...
  15. Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master

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    Somerandom_Nerd:

    TPM and AOTC - there is no Empire in the two movies.

    AOTC - they're manufacturing the clones of one white man - of course they're all going to be while. :confused:

    ANH to ROTJ - agreed on this part.

    Aunecah
  16. Jedi_Master201 Jedi Grand Master

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    I didn't see any white men being manufactured. ?[face_plain]


  17. Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master

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  18. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    Aunecah - Meaning Temuera(sp?) Morrison is hispanic. :)

    <[-]> Saber
  19. Jedi_Master201 Jedi Grand Master

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    Actually, that's wrong too: he's of Maori decent. A New Zealand race.
  20. Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master

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  21. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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  22. senseless_apprentice Jedi Knight

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    Alot of you do agree that he is...speciest. So why did he have a Zabrak apprentice? Did he turn "speciest" after Maul's death?
  23. JediBeowulf Jedi Master

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    Maybe the Emperor himself isn't discriminatory, but one of his High-Ranking right hand men are...possibly say, Tarkin?
  24. senseless_apprentice Jedi Knight

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    Or those wierd looking Imperial dignitaries. I think Palpy at least believes that humans are superior.
  25. Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, we do have to remember that while Palpatine was descriminatory in his practices, he also didn't hold back in employing non-humans (Thrawn) and females (Daala) if they actually had talent. So it's possible that he took Maul as his apprentice because he knew of Maul's potential in the Dark Side of the Force.

    Aunecah
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