The Empire is Back

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  1. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    Well I've heard that quite a lot of people were killed when they celebrated the death of the emperor.
  2. Azeem TFN Staff, Manager Emeritus

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    Interesting..and where did this piece of information come from since the movie ended at that point?

  3. Lordban Jedi Grand Master

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    Some further, wicked rebel propaganda should be unraveled soon ?
  4. MacCaffrey VIP

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    First you only take the films as propaganda-free and now it is only the old trilogy.

    Man, that is boring.

    For you is genocide the methode of choice for all your problems, how nice.
  5. Azeem TFN Staff, Manager Emeritus

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    The classic trilogy proves that the Empire was in the right. They are the legal and elected government (Palpatine was elected as Chancellor then to Emperor). He only disolved the Senate in ANH after Alderaan's betrayal.

    The Rebel Alliance used "neutral" planets such as Alderaan to continue there campaign of terrorism on honest citizens of the Empire. Now they cry about Alderaan when it was clearly their fault for its destruction. But instead of accepting responsibility, they promote Princess Leia (who in an effort to save here guilty royal family decided Dantooine and all its lifeforms should be destroyed).

    They want to return to a system of government that permits slavery (the Empire never was shown to have slaves, that is an EU addition). They want the Jedi back who think themself about the law and interfere on the Chancellors behalf (the Senate makes the decisions on government action).

    Isn't it interesting the best film of all the trilogy is the one the Empire dominates and the worst film is the Rebel "victory". The Empire lives today even stronger in the mighty 501st Legion.

    Glory be to the Emperor.

    TR-095
  6. MacCaffrey VIP

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    That's your opinion.

    Who said that Alderaan's betrayl was the sole factor for the dislove?

    And the Empire lost a war, tough luck, the winner writes the history.
  7. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    Seeing ESB as the best movie is just your point of view.

    There hasn't been any reason yet, why Palpatine dissolved the senate. It can't have been just because of the alderaanian senator, she was just one and the senate is big.

    By the way slavery was not accepted in the republic. The only planet where we have proof of slavery is Tattoine, a planet that according to the noble master Qui-Gon Jinn doesn't belong in the republic. It is a part of the empire though, and yet they did nothing to stop the crime-lords living there.
  8. Azeem TFN Staff, Manager Emeritus

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    And the Jedi allowed slavery on the planet. Obi Wan knew of the planet and who controlled it. I didn't see them outraged about it.

    When Tatooine was a part of the Empire and you didn't see slaves there. You saw everyone walking free, human, rodian, wookie, etc.

    And lets talk about Solo, your glorious hero. Smuggling is not a good and noble business. He also agreed to pay back his debts but evaded that. I'm sure you would want this type of person as your friend.

    And how about Skywalker. The noble Jedi who used the force to first choke two Gamorreans only doing their job and then grabbed a gun and tried to shoot Jabba in cold blood. He did pull the trigger. He would have been charged with attempted murder in court. He also uses the force to mind control Bib Fortuna.

    And this line:

    "The Rebel Alliance will continue to gain support in the Imperial Senate"

    Sounds like to me consorting with the enemy. Good enough reason to dissolve the Senate.

    And every poll I have seen says fans agree ESB is the best film and ROTJ is the worst.



  9. MacCaffrey VIP

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    Jedi aren't self-destructive, a sole Jedi against a planet would be quite hard and I he had to hidde, 'cause he had to fear for his life by the Jedi-Hunter.
    The Empire tried to bring down first the Rebellion and then the crime, youself said, and Obi-Wan wanted first securaty for his last hope, Luke.

    You judge a planet by one scene and since when was Tatooine part of the Empire, 'cause there was an Imperial Governor?

    Skywalker tried to rescue a friend from a crime-lord. And the Empire did nothing to stop the regein of this crime-lord, so someone had to act. I am no fan of selfjustice, but if the goverment is corrupt and that is the last hope, it can only be better.

    And why did the Rebellion gained support in the Senat, when the great Emperor was so popular. Let me try, 'cause all senator were corrupt?
  10. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    And how would the rebellion have been able to corrupt senators, when they always lacked money.
  11. Lordban Jedi Grand Master

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    Because some senators there did give them the much needed money (eg Mon Mothma, Garm Bel Iblis). Also, some nobles were willing to pay (Bail Organa).
  12. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    That's three in a senate of thousands.
  13. Lord_Gita Former TFN FanFilms Staff

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    Don't assume the rebellion was the only concern of the Empire. You tell us we should have done something to stop the crime and corruption in the galaxy but then complain when we shut down the senate that was known to be corrupt. Re: episode I senate scenes where we saw even the vice-chairman corrupted.

    No, perhaps only 3 senators had Rebel sympathies, however unlikely, but there were scertainly other senators that were not honest and loyal citizens of the republic or the Empire.
  14. Lordban Jedi Grand Master

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    Also, the Imperial Navy was never able to dispatch more than several dozen capital ships to hunt for the main Rebel forces, where it has been recorded that more than 25,000 Imperial Class Star Destroyers have existed by the time of the Classic Trilogy.

    How do you explain such figures ?
    Well it's plain simple : defending the Imperial borders from raids of Rim bandits of various sorts, ensuring the safety of trade lines and of the key systems in the Empire, protecting various key installations such as shipyards, patrolling their sectors to maintain peace, expanding known space and the Imperial borders, keeping enemy fleets from various systems to launch assaults versus each other, etc...

    Those tasks and many other are also entrusted to the Navy. The Empire does its job well, no matter what you may say, and it is this very truth that was unfold to Rebel eyes when they undertook the hard task of governing a galaxy.
  15. The Flying Dutchman Jedi Master

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    The Empire does it's job well... with the wrong motives and the wrong methodes...
  16. Lordban Jedi Grand Master

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    No matter what the methods and the motives are, the results are there and you Rebels are all too happy to have so strong a basis to rebuild an Empire on.
  17. The Flying Dutchman Jedi Master

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    methode and motive is what makes a goverment good or evil... Allthough the end result maybe the same (controle of the galaxy), the way it's done can have a great impact on the future. For example: Hitlers result was impressive in the beginning, but the way he did this was less... His succes became his undoing.
  18. Lord_Gita Former TFN FanFilms Staff

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    Our motivation was to spread order. Our method was to unify the galaxy until the rebellion caused us to divert our methods.
  19. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    If you had succeeded in the first place the rebellion wouldn't have been.
  20. Lord_Gita Former TFN FanFilms Staff

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    Success in a worthy goal is never instantaneous. Patience is a virtue in these trying times.
  21. The Flying Dutchman Jedi Master

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    so A: the rebellion is hasty and/or
    B: the empire is to slow...
    I'll go for "B".
  22. The Flying Dutchman Jedi Master

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    meaning that allthough the empire had all the time in the world (it takes quite some time for a rebellion to setup specialy since it needs a lot of organisation) so it proves that the empire's way weren't so good since the rebellion continued...
  23. Lord_Gita Former TFN FanFilms Staff

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    I don't understand how you arrived at that conclusion. Because we didn't automatically eradicate you on the spot we are wrong and evil. But you, who just decided we were wrong, formed an army, and moved on to kill us, are the good guys?

    For those of you that want to judge all of us by a few of us, may I remind all of you that in your quest to rid the galaxy of scum, specifically Jabba the Hutt, your leaders completely obliterated a sail barge full of people. At least some of whom were innocent. I didn't see your grand leader, Princess Leia, display any reluctance to fire a cannon into the deck and destroy the ship and those aboard. So be careful before taking a high and mighty attitude with us, you have not shown yourselves to be much better.
  24. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    Well the imperials didn't exaxtly hesitate to kill innocent people.
  25. Lord_Gita Former TFN FanFilms Staff

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    My point is that while we may have killed some civilians, bunches, to target the scum, the rebellion did no better. And yet, Mon Monthma goes around preaching how evil we are and how much better her rebellion is... The facts don't fit.
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