Lit The Empire's future: the First Order, or the Fel Dynasty & Imperial Knights?

I would have written Gunn Yage as Cade's twin and have HER kill Krayt.

 

I wanted to see her Gun Yage's reaction to being related to Cade.

 

Weren't they part of Nat's line?

 

I found Cade completely and utterly unsympathetic except for when people tried to say it was his destiny/responsibility while other members of the Skywalker line kept popping up.

 

It's the will of the force, in some ways the Skywalker clan is a slave to the force itself.

 

Nat didn't have biological children, only stepchildren and the adopted Cathar cyborg boy. Gunn Yage is Cade's half-sister, but not a Skywalker, the daughter of Nyna/Morrigan and Rolf Yage.

 

Good discussion, and with TLJ hype picking up, a good time to debate this again! I kind of wish I included a poll...

 

I want to see the Imperial Knights in the new canon

 

It really depends on the context. I don't want FO Knights, that's for sure. If they were done right I'd be beyond pleased.

 

Seriously.

The Imperial Knights should disband and join the Jedi.

If the Fel Empire wants to "reform" in people's eyes, and the IK doesn't want to be viewed as Kempeitai equivalents, the IK has to go.

If you (people in general) think the IK concept is great! then why not FO Knights? (Knights of Ren is actually FO Knights).

 

The people of the Empublic have always had sword wielding heroes to look up to. I doubt Imperials would be pleased if their Knights packed up and joined the crazy wizards.

 

The Knights are the moral compass of the Empire. Without them, Coruscant would be a steaming wasteland.

 

Fel Dynasty and the Imperial Knights rock. I'll take them over the FO anyday

 

Thought this would be good to bring back now.

 

The IKs are the first force order in legends to be less interested in the philosophical and more in the martial and political though a philosophy still guides their actions.

 

This is a rare moment where we are in complete agreement.

 

Roan Fel succumbed to darkness in the darkest days of the second imperial civil war-we should pity him, not revile him. An emperor who lost his way at the end of his life thanks to the immense crisis, and sith manipulation.

 

We don't know if the Knights of Ren are still around but the Force Awakens novelization does go into the fact that Kylo was a mix of light and dark.

 

I think not. After all, Gar Stazi didn't succumb to despair. Neither did K'Krukh, or even Rulf Yage. That's like saying Anakin deserved pity for joining the Dark Side after going days without sleep and having nightmares about his wife dying.

 

It was a bit of a different situation-Krayt was going to win and Fel took the temptation to do something terrible to prevent that.

He's a tragic character-who in another life may have been the best emperor and ruler for the Galaxy.

 

I think Fel was obviously a bad and incompetent ruler in just about every single decision he made. He's not Morlish Veed but all of his decisions end up backfiring that can we really name a single good one?

* He let his Empire ally with the Sith.
* he didn't root out the Grand Moffs despite them all being treacherous
* He didn't go after Krayt from the beginning despite being of the Blood of Skywalker.
* Abandoning his heir despite the fact this would destroy the Empire's moral and the future of his lineage.
* Executing all of the prisoners in revenge, believing the Sith would respect that or be intimidated--when it's Tuesday for them.
* Recruiting Maladi.
* Attempting genocide.

Basically, Roan Fel thinks he's in 24 when he's in STAR WARS and being the bad guy doesn't make you a pragamtic or effective hero

 

No, he wasn't. Krayt is dead by the time that Fel tries to launch Omega Red. He even feels Krayt's death in the Force. It doesn't stop him from trying to kill everyone on Coruscant.



Fel wanted to be the one to kill Krayt. It was about him, not the Galaxy. Fel wanted to destroy Krayt to satisfy his own ego. A selfish act, consistent with Fel's previous characterization.



Fortunately, that madman got what he deserved.


The Imperial Knights are truly to be praised. They did their duty even when it meant killing their insane Emperor. This check on the Emperor's powers is perhaps the fundamental difference between Palpatine's Empire and Fel's Empire.

If you consider the slaughter of a trillion innocent beings to be understandable, under any circumstances, then I think there's no point in continuing this discussion. Because a deed like that is evil. Period. There is no excusing or understanding something that horrendous.

 

I'd have to look at the timeline-but Krayt's newfound power and army he whipped up out of nothing made omega red an attractive option. A terrible option but an understandable one to consider out of desperation.

 

Omega Red, to Fel's understanding, would ONLY kill the Sith.
(which we know it wouldn't, that Maladi sabotaged it, but he didn't know it.)

* The Emperor was slightly more than a figurehead. The Moffs overruled his veto with the war, and the Sith. The only thing he could do, he did, which was keep the IKs out of the war.
* See first point... he didn't have the power to, he wasn't an absolute monarch. He wasn't even commander-in-chief.
* See above, though I agree he should have done more "under the radar," like sending some IKs to covertly capture or kill the Sith leaders.
* Roan actually made the choice that Yoda wanted Anakin to make... to let go of his personal attachment, and not endanger others out of attachment. He also, despite being a monarch, didn't think his bloodline was as important as someone good being in charge. He probably would have just appointed one of his IKs as his successor if Marasiah did die.
* I don't remember what this refers to.
* It was a mistake... but she was a POW, he didn't "recruit" her.
* Of the Sith, and becoming Sith (or at least remaining Sith) was a choice, especially after Krayt's massacres began. So not a genocide, but a targeted assassination. Not the most moral, obviously, but not genocide to try to create a weapon to kill all of the enemy's soldiers (and as far as he knew, soldiers only).


Now, I am not a Roan Fel apologist, though this post might make it appear that way. He became a bad person, and there was something off about him from the start. But we need to be fair in criticism of him.