The End of the World: The New Battlestar Galactica (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Archive: SF&F: Films and Television' started by JediTrilobite, Jan 3, 2006.

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  1. Jedimarine Force Ghost

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    LV-426?

    That's an "Alien" franchise reference.

    o_O

    I smell shenanigans.
  2. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    Well, Larson did create the original 1978-79 series, and Singer was attached to Larson's re-make as early as 2000, well before the Moore series, so... why the heck not? It'll be fun to see the original BSG writ large on the silver screen, with Starbuck as a man ("Buck" does mean "male"), Cylons as pure robotic evil (as opposed to organic, human-looking evil, which is a Terminator thing), and, of course, Muffit the cyborg dog.

    [image=http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/7/71/Muffit.jpg]

    Here's lookin' at you, Muffitt. ;)
  3. Leto II Jedi Master

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    More than likely it's simply an early, impromptu placeholder-reference for "Desolate, Mysterious World Upon Which Boxey Discovers Giant-Ass Talking Muffit/Borg Queen Hybrid-Thing."

    You see stuff like this all the time in pre-production art before a final screenplay gets locked down. Typically, all of the fluctuating names and locations get set in stone at a much later date.
  4. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    Dangit, they nixed my daggit. :(

    Here's the same pic from a different source:

    [image=http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc23/DoorQPictures/Muffit.jpg]
  5. Leto II Jedi Master

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  6. Leto II Jedi Master

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    Wow...Dynamite's new Galactica 1980 series looks pretty damn frakking dark.

    RDM's influence continues to spill over. Think I'll be checking this one out.
  7. Leto II Jedi Master

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    The Digital Bits has posted a review of The Plan Blu-Ray up at their website. Some rather spoiler-y stuff in the review, so be warned. But it sounds like another winner as a standalone movie, although a different sort of breed than Razor was.
  8. Asharak Force Ghost

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    The Plan was really good, its IMHO definitely one of the better BSG tales. It doesn?t work as a standalone product at all though, its definitely meant to be watched right after the s2 finale(even though it spoils many s4 secrets) for it to work properly. It mainly focuses on Cavil and Anders, giving both more weight as important characters in the BSG universe. I personally thought it was better than Razor(many people will probably disagree), even though it is a much more fragmented story.
  9. The2ndRest-in-Peace Jedi Knight

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    Yeah, I skimmed that a couple weeks ago- was like "oh, neat- they're trying to get a good take on 1980, that could be cool and0 holy crap!". Talk about your alternate takes on things. I have a feeling the human-form of KITT won't be guest-starring in an issue of THIS series. ;)
  10. Radical_Edward Jedi Knight

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    Total agreement.

    The Plan looked, and felt, like a clipshow, with only a few strands of plot to tie it together. It felt a bit like a deleted scene reel, interesting for fans who can remember all the details, but not for new viewers. I was a bit disappointed overall, though. I was hoping that the plan was actually going to be some great and fantastic plan that would provide new insight into the series and explore more of the cylon psyche. Turns out that we new all the secrets of the plan all along, we just didn't know how desperate, divided, and incompetent the cylons really were. The amount of money they put into the visual effects was nice, but some of the stock footage they played was pretty jarring, and only added to the disconnected clipshow feel. The missing characters were jarring in their absence, too.

    Despite its weaknesses, I don't regret the two hours I gave it, though.
  11. DarthXan318 Manager Emeritus

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    I thought The Plan was excellent. :D

    I do agree with the clipshow thing though. It felt more like a recap of the first couple of seasons (or, well, a recap of what happened up until the point where they spaced the Cavils) than a standalone movie. Definitely more of a movie for fans than anything else.

    Not sure which I liked better, this one or Razor. Razor had a better story (but was not entirely necessary) while this was more like a fill-in-the-blanks-from-the-Cavil-side sort of deal, and in that light the Cylons' attack all make a lot more sense.
  12. JediMasterGuff Force Ghost

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    So, does anyone yet know what the Cylons plan actually was?

    No? Nevermind.
  13. Leto II Jedi Master

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    Still waiting for Amazon to ship my copy, but in the meantime, Blu-Ray.com has posted a pretty damn lengthy and spoiler-intensive review of the film and the special features.

    It basically says that "[this is] Stockwell's film through and through." A serious Cavil character-study. Which is music to my ears.

    Only a few more days now.
  14. hansen Force Ghost

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    I really liked it and thought it was a nifty little epilogue to the entire show, but I could feel, while watching it, that there were gonna be lots of people who wouldn't care for it.

    I especially appreciated how it completely expects that you know the show very well and has no time for any viewers who are unfamiliar with the franchise.

    And Dean Stockwell is awesome. :cool:
  15. Asharak Force Ghost

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    "I really liked it and thought it was a nifty little epilogue to the entire show, but I could feel, while watching it, that there were gonna be lots of people who wouldn't care for it"

    Sure, but the hate trolling that is taking place on other boards is just ridiculous. People "screaming" that this is just a bunch of deleted scenes and that there is nothing new is just plain wrong. I have seen the movie twice now and 95% is completely new material. We aren?t necessarily given that much "new info", but besides expanding Cavils role in the series heavily, we are shown a lot of things we have never seen before.

    All the cylon activity in s1 seemed random, but here we are shown that they actually were organized. This makes them seem like a much bigger threat in s1 than I originally felt.

    We had never seen what actually happened each time Boomer went into "evil cylon mode". I always assumed she became just "a mindless terminator" robot each time she did it, but instead she just got her real memories back each time, and she actually chose to do those things to her human friends. Suddenly Boomer wasn?t really that poor innocent girl I remembered from s1, she was a much darker character. This made her seemingly different character in s3 and 4 finally make sense.

    Simon the most underused Cylon in the series was shown to not be a "line" of purely evil tools for Cavil(like Doral).
    Here we were finally shown the "origin" of the Caprica resistance, a football team using tactics they saw in movies. I always thought that was an interesting idea, and I have always wanted to see that story.
    Anders got IMHO the great send-off as a character in BSG he was denied in s4.5. His only "real" episode there was "No Exit" were he was pretty much Mr. Exposition, the rest of the time he was just used as a "helpful" gizmo. Instead this movie portrays him as a very heroic, yet human character. His confession to Cavil was great, and again showed the great potential the character was shown to have in ?Faith?.

    Another thing that is being thrown around is that this movie has no action. That really surprises me, because except for ?Razor,? ?Daybreak? and ?Exodus?, I don?t think any two episodes of BSG has had more(time wise) action than the ?Plan?.

    Its completely okay if people don?t like the movie, but a lot of the criticism seems unfair and outright wrong.



  16. Obey Wann Former RMFF CR & SW Region RSA

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    Does it explain Episode 33, and what happened to the ship?
  17. Asharak Force Ghost

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    Nope. I don?t really see anything that needs to be explained though, it seemed pretty straightforward.
  18. Radical_Edward Jedi Knight

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    It's just another desperate, half-baked scheme that was riding more on hope than proper planning, like every other plan in the Plan.
  19. Asharak Force Ghost

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    I think the fact that Cavil turned to alcohol in the later half of the movie said pretty much all that was needed to be said about "The Great Triumphant Cylon War Machine"
  20. Leto II Jedi Master

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    Apparently lots of folks out there are catching this thing early, due to pirated bootleg downloads, etc. The Battlestar Wiki just put a big bitchslap policy in place against anyone who updates The Plan's info-page there prior to tomorrow's street date.

    Me, I'm waiting for my copy to arrive so I can watch it legitimately.
  21. Darth-Lando Chosen One

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    Holy Gratuitous Nudity Batman! The topless bartenders and a "Starship Troopers"-style shower scene (that goes below the equator :eek:!) in The Plan really surprised me.
  22. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    To be fair it wasn't a bad dong.
  23. yankee8255 Chosen One

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    I downloaded it on itunes last night and watched the first 15-20 minutes on the train this morning. Pretty good so far, especially the nuclear impact footage segment.
  24. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I'm mixed on The Plan. It's a nice look back, but it isn't a self-contained narrative the way Razor was and feels less organic to things than Razor.

    It's basically an excuse to fill in Cavil and Simon for the first two seasons when they either weren't present/introduced or not utilized much at all. Which is not a bad thing- this is Dean Stockwell's movie and he is awesome in it. Cavil was always the most interesting cylon.

    The only real downside to the whole thing is it makes the cylons almost comically incompetent and pretty much admits that the much-vaunted "plan" of the opening sequence either never existed in the minds of the showrunners, or was abandoned at some point ("This is all improv, isn't it?").

    I did like how it had a surprising amount of humor ("this is teal.")- which fits in with the Season 1 focus of the story, since that was the only season to have occasional bits of humor in it.

    The real highlight is the alternate POVs of the cylon attack, which really enhances that event from the miniseries. If they cut out the spoilery "all this has happened before" line moments, editing these scenes into the miniseries would be outright awesome and improve it greatly. Though I suspect much of those colony city mattes were only included because they could be used for Caprica ;)

    The most interesting revelation in it though is that the Six (Miss Giddard was the name, right?) who tries to expose Baltar turns out to have no connection to Head Six's actions in that episode- she's just another Cylon plot gone awry, and Head Six is just taking advantage of it to convert Baltar.

    I also loved the music- sorta BSG meets the (Barbosa?) theme from POTC.

    It's hard to say when this movie should really be viewed at any point beyond an epilogue to the whole series- if not for the final five stuff, it could almost pass as a lost Season 3 catch-me-up episode for new viewers as the show began it's transition from the story focus and feel of the first two seasons to what the show changed into for it's last two.
  25. yankee8255 Chosen One

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    The only real downside to the whole thing is it makes the cylons almost comically incompetent and pretty much admits that the much-vaunted "plan" of the opening sequence either never existed in the minds of the showrunners, or was abandoned at some point ("This is all improv, isn't it?").

    That's certainly the biggest negative of The Plan imo - to me it makes clear that the show's creators and writers wanted there to be a plan in the first few seasons of the show, but never actually had one in mind, and eventually dropped the idea.

    Other than that, I rather liked The Plan, accepting it for what it is and, maybe more importantly, for what it is not. It certainly isn't a full fledged story like Razor. To a degree, I guess, it's a retcon of some holes in the first few seasons, but a very good one, showing the development of the 2 Cavils, as well as Anders.

    One weird thing when I was watching it was that I momentarily forgot that only the Cavils knew the identities of the Final 5 -- until I was jarringly knocked out of my stupidity by the "Resistence" Simon's question to Caprica Cavil as to what was so special about Anders. :oops:
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