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The ending of E II and Possible implications for III

Discussion in 'Archive: Revenge of the Sith (Non-Spoilers)' started by Ghost_Jedi, Oct 1, 2003.

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  1. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I was watching the end of AotC and I couldn't get over the darkness of it:

    Ending Scene 1) Sidious greets Dooku, and Dooku tells him of the success at Genosis, and Sidious says everything is going to plan. - Obviously Dark

    Ending Scene 2) Yoda, Mace, and Obi are talking of the impending War, and how the shroud of the Darkside has fallen - Again obviously Dark

    Ending Scene 3) The Senate looks over the mobilization of the clones - Dark because it is preparing for war, and we can assume that the clones will become storm troopers

    Ending Scene 4) The Wedding - Light . . .
    Or is it?
    Usually weddings are nice but why did Lucas put the first three scenes and then the wedding? I have two possible solutions/ theories:
    1) Wedding was used as way to get away from the darkness of the three previous scenes
    2) The wedding is somehow tainted by the darkside.

    Any one else with an idea
     
  2. Jedi Greg Maddux

    Jedi Greg Maddux Jedi Knight star 6

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    2) The wedding is somehow tainted by the darkside.

    The wedding's supposed to be bittersweet. It's happy because Padme and Anakin get to be together, but it's dark because Anakin committed a cardinal sin against the Jedi Order (marriage is a no-no) and is just another stepping stone on his path to the Dark Side.
     
  3. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Also if I'm right love may be the emotion that drives Anakin to the Dark Side. That's the first real display of Love he's shown where she freely reciprocates so it shows the beginning of the end.
     
  4. Garth Maul

    Garth Maul Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes, I agree with the last 2 posts.

    "it is tainted by the DS".

    Well, in a way, it IS tainted by the Dark Side. Anakin's obvious problem with the Jedi Code is "attachment is forbidden".

    He had a strong attachment to his mother - she died, he went Dark Side.

    He has a strong attachment to Padme - if she dies, he thinks she dies, or she does not return his love for some reason, Anakin will go Dark Side again.

    I think you're right about the contrast - it's also reflecting the galactic vs. the personal - the Republic at War, Anakin getting married.

    How personal lives do not halt, even when events with galactic consequences occur.

    Hmmm....just thought of this. Is the fact that Padme is not with the other "big name" Senators watching the Republic Army take off supposed to hint at her removing herself from politics?

    We talk about Anakin's problems with the marriage, how is Padme going to balance her political life with her married life?

    Will Anakin get offended if she has no time for him?
     
  5. AUNTIE_JEDI

    AUNTIE_JEDI Jedi Padawan star 4

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    2) The wedding is somehow tainted by the darkside.

    The wedding is supposed to be a happy event. But at least I feel uncomfortable when I'm watching this scene. :(
    They are so in love but we all now what is going to happen and which are the consequences of their marriage.
     
  6. Darth Dane

    Darth Dane Jedi Master star 4

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    The Light could represent Luke being "conceived" as part of the marriage. Married couples copulate....





    DD - Love & Laughter

     
  7. darth_paul

    darth_paul Jedi Master star 5

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    I've always thought AtS is sad music to use for a wedding. I mean, I know it's their theme and all, but it feels so angsty... I don't think the wedding is supposed to be happy. There's the music. And then there's the subdued colors. All the colors in that scene are fairly muted. Now compare this to the finales of ANH and TPM, which were real celebrations.

    -Paul
     
  8. LordMaul99

    LordMaul99 Jedi Master star 1

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    Hmmmmmm...

    I think of all the light surrounding the wedding as a glimmer of hope.

    Like Ghost said, the 3 previos scenes hint to the Darkness the Empire brings. But the marriage of Anakin & Padme will bring about their offspring, Luke & Leia as the "New Hope". Luke will bring about a new Jedi Order, & Leia will take part in the Initial Rebelion & Lead the New Republic years later.
     
  9. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Do you know what´s really awesome with the ending of AOTC? All those scenes are kind of showing us what happens in EpIII!

    * "Everything is going as planned." - The Sith will get their revenge. It will go as planned.

    * "Begun, the clone war has." - Yoda has probably glimpsed the future while he was probing the dark side. He knows that the clones will lead to their downfall, which he is implying.

    * The clones are heading out to war - We will see part of that war in EpIII.

    * The wedding - Their relationship will be instrumental to their future.
     
  10. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    In case someone´s interested.... up! :)
     
  11. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I think Garth Maul raises a good point:
    Is the fact that Padme is not with the other "big name" Senators watching the Republic Army take off supposed to hint at her removing herself from politics?

    We talk about Anakin's problems with the marriage, how is Padme going to balance her political life with her married life?

    Will Anakin get offended if she has no time for him?


    We often focus of what will happen to Anakin in ep3, and what will cause him to fall. However we cannot forget that Padme plays an intregal point in both ep3 and the 2 triologies as a whole (she is Luke & Leia's mom afterall). The threat against her has clearly lessened as the sepratists no longer have to fear her, especially with Palps being granted emergency powers (I mean from the pov of Republic vs. Separtists, and not the Siths' scheme) . I think they go to Naboo as a way to hide from the Jedi Council, and everyone else, b/c who knows Naboo better than Padme? Thus they know what they are doing, would not be sanctioned. Now as a married woman, would she be as active; also would Anakin allow her to be as active, cause I could see him be a little over protective, fear of losing her.
     
  12. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Yeah, I could see that too. I believe Nute Gunray would still be out to get her killed, though. That´s probably the reason Anakin was allowed/ordered to escort her back to Naboo.
     
  13. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I can take some guesses about the implications, but I'd rather have GL handle it. That being said, the good thing is that the time difference between II and III is very small, but the detoriation in the galaxy is much more greater.

    The end of Ep. II is a "full scale war". Imagine 2 - 3 years of that. Talk about wear and tear.

     
  14. Darthkarma

    Darthkarma Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The marriage is definitely bittersweet.
    Look how Anakin smiles at Padme but she
    looks back concerned and definitely not
    smiling after they kiss. That woman
    is worried and having second thoughts
    over whether they did the right thing.
     
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