ST The enigma of Vader's remains..

I'm confuse So... who has the soul? This is only one person, the suit being a life support system needed by a living man to keep him breathing (who then died, and thus no longer needs the suit). I wouldn't be surprised to have a force ghost, just not sure what you are saying.

 

Very interesting theory master danmcken.

Makes me think of the old Tom and Jerry cartoons with the little trixster on one shoulder and the little angel on thE other.

Anakin brought balance.

In order to balance a balance equal weight must be on both sides.

EDIT: Let me clarify that I am not poking fun. Anakin was the chosen one, therefore the idea of him having a special status as far as soul/Force ghosts goes is absolutely plausible.

 

What if the sequel trilogy completely changes what we mean by "Darth Vader"?

Here's a bit of speculation I've come up with.

Anakin's creation is still shrouded in mystery, but there is a bit of circumstantial evidence in ROTS to suggest that Palpatine and/or Plagueis had a hand in creating him.

If so, then it is fair to assume that the intent was always there to create a dark side user, rather than just creating life.
But what if the intent was always to create a vessel for Darth Vader? what if the only thing that wasn't thought through was that Anakin himself would be strong enough to fight back against Darth Vader and go back to the good side?

The plot functions that this would serve are many, not least on forcing a re-think of the previous films: it would give more weight to Anakin's redemption, meaning it was an actual battle he had to win - it would also make him slightly more redeemable if his slaughter etc was in part due to being possessed by this evil entity.

Imagine this scene between Kylo Ren and Snoke, with Ren battle scarred at the end of TFA:

Kylo Ren: "I have failed, Supreme Leader. Skywalker returned from exile before I could destroy the force sensitives. I do not have the lightsaber"
Snoke "and I sense your anger that you also lost Vader's mask. Tell me, Kylo Ren, do you think these trophies will make you Darth Vader?"
Kylo Ren: "They are strong in the Dark Side master. I feel Vader's anger and pain"
Snoke: "There is a reason for that, and it lies not in these relics. Let me tell you what Darth Vader was. Vader was an embodiment of the Dark Side of the Force. Vader was not (spits) Anakin Skywalker. Vader is the will of the dark Side made flesh. That spirit has not been destroyed, just dormant. It seeks a new host. You are not detined to have the power of Vader. You are destined to become Vader"

 

Its a shame Luke burnt Vader's codpiece along with the rest of the suit.

Kylo could have used it.

 

It wouldn't fit.

 

And who are you suggesting has the bigger set?

 

I have believed that Palps and Plagueis dabbling in the dark arts prompted the Force to create Anakin as an out.

Anakin allowed temptation and desire to cloud his vision and lead down the wrong path.

As for Vaders remains, they very well could hold a connection to the darkside.

However, Anakin, the "man in the mask", was redeemed.

I very much like brother danmcken theory above.

"He is more machine than Man, twisted and evil."

I believe when Luke redeemed him the man was separated from the machine.

 

Nope, just a significant character who says, "I can't believe he's gone," and then someone will put a poncho around them. Then a small space battle ensues.

No time for sentimentality in the SW universe.

 

Haha yeah the obi treatment not everyone gets the qui gonn ceremony

 

I think who ever Kylo Ren is, he somehow comes to the conclusion he will never be strong enough on his own to be a real Jedi or a significant Force user. He seeks out the relics of fallen Sith to boost his power because he feels he can do no better. Supreme Leader Snoke probably has convinced him of this over time like the Emperor did before.

 

Thread merge..

 

If Anakin's spirit disappeared as did Obi-Wan and Yoda, why did Luke bother to take the suit and burn it down on Endor? There was nothing in it. It could've just left to be destroyed with the Death Star.

 

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good point! maybe he didn't disappear immediately? we never did see him disappear, I always assumed he was in it on the pyre

 

Since someone went to the trouble of reviving this thread, let me take the opportunity to ask: Whatever happened to those rumors of a skull fragment(s) still visible within the charred remains of Darth Vader's mask?

Being that the melted mask itself rather favors a skull, is it down to a simple bout of miscommunication? Perhaps there actually is some bone visible and I simply haven't examined the shot closely enough?

Or has some other explanation ever come to light?