THE ETERNAL RETURN

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by RonPrice, Dec 22, 2005.

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  1. RonPrice Jedi Youngling

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    In Baha?i philosophy and teachings there is an element of what Nietzsche called ?eternal recurrence.? It?s not quite the same as ?the theory that everything that ever has been or ever will be is cycling through history in a loop,? as Megan Shaw defined eternal recurrence in her article on the Eternal Return of the Jedi.1 Nor is the concept of eternal recurrence the same as assimilating all of known and unknown history into some One scheme, as say Joseph Campbell appears to do in his study of mythology or as George Lucas with his three films on Star Wars. At least that is not my understanding of the Baha?i philosophical and historical schemata. -Ron Price with thanks to Megan Shaw, ?Eternal Return of the Jedi: The Phantom Menace Approaches,? Bad Subjects: Political Education for Everyday Life, Issue #43, April 1999.

    The whole thing is far too complex
    to reduce to some visual simplicity
    or even some masterful total vision
    where everything becomes subsumed
    into One enormous, but painstaking
    inclusion of all of reality, known
    and unknown throughout all time.

    Still, there?s a richly rewarding
    enterprise......confirmation of
    the unity of the race of man...
    biology and also spiritual history
    like a single symphony1 for some who try.
    For there is pattern, plot, rhythm,
    order and harmonies2 in all
    this flotsam and jetsam,
    all this staggeringly complex
    phenomenological reality before us.

    1Joseph Campbell,?On Completion of the Masks of God,? Creative Mythology, Viking Press, 1968, Frontispiece. Campbell began this work in 1956.
    2 H.A.L. Fisher, ?Preface,? A Study of History, Fontana Press, 1973(1935).

    Ron Price
    11 August 2003


  2. masterluke9 Jedi Padawan

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    star 4
    this may work better in Saga
  3. Admiral_Chiss Jedi Youngling

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  4. sick_sith_girl Jedi Youngling

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    This sounds very interesting. I have philosophy class in school. From what I know so far, this could work. Nice theory.
  5. Jedi_Master_Johns Jedi Youngling

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  6. darth_frared Jedi Grand Master

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    i'm not an expert, but i don't want a nietzsche thread go amiss here.

    i just ran into this web site and it said the following: Eternal recurrence is simply the idea that everything has already happened for an eternity in the past, and will continue to happen over and over for an eternity. What I gathered from the story was that Zarathustra and his short friend were seeing the same path. There aren't two different paths. Nietzsche says time is circular. Instead of thinking of the paths as straight lines, think of one path that makes a huge circle. That's why everything happens again and again. That is the nature of the circle. One always ends up where one started.

    but it seems this doesn't really apply to the saga, as i think the storytelling doesn't try to say these things will happen over and over again, but instead tries to raise our awareness and give us the contrast of those two similar stories to see where things can go.
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