The EU and Episode III: Revenge of the Sith- Spoilers Allowed

That was during the dream right? Where he sees her dying? Too bad for Ani.

 

Yep.

 

Anyone else think it was a nice EU nod to have the Clone Troop regiment that accompanies Anankin to the Temple be the 501st, which later becomes "Vader's Fist" and personal Stormtrooper guard? Just seemed like a very nice and subtle nod there

 

a subtle nod... but now we know.. the 501st are a bunch of childkillers.

 

To be fair,

Anakin has a defense that has been understood in warfare since time memorial.

If you're old enough to use a weapon, you're old enough to die by one.

 

It was supposed to be Vos (to be noteworthy-he was still "made" into a Jedi)

Instead, Salporin and Itchy were

 

Anakin attacks the kids, they are defending themselves. If they wouldn´t defend themselves, he would kill them anyway. No defense.

 

"a subtle nod... but now we know.. the 501st are a bunch of childkillers."

Oh, they were *so* defenceless, a bunch of kids with laser swords, pre-cognition and super human reflexes.

One ten year old kid killed a half dozen hardened troops with full armor and weapons.

By no defintion can that be classified as being defenceless.

Heck, even the six year olds are capible of basic laser deflection as witnessed in AOTC.

What was disturbing about Anakin's killing was that they were unarmed, not their age. Actually, can anyone whose seen the movie comment on whether or not those kids were wearing lightsabers? I think in the book they *were* armed.

 

I'm saying the horror of killing children is muted when you're killing kids that can take out hardened soldiers.

 

Kids that can take out hardened soldiers are still kids. They are just better at protecting themselves than the ordinary kids. And the fact is that they have no more chance against Anakin than the ordinary kids would have. They can hold against the clone troopers if the troopers have limited numbers, but they have no chance against Anakin. It´s not a fair fight by anyone´s standards.

 

I'm just saying once battle begins, its kill or be killed.

 

"Kids that can take out hardened soldiers are still kids."

The military would disagree with you.

I'm reminded of "A Bridge too Far" where Robert Redford and Co are crossing a river. Among the German troops are young teenage boys, picking off the Americans the whole time they're crossing the river. When they get off, it's no mercy. One soldier takes an almost causual at one of their broken bodies, and then without a word walks off. IIRC, a few were shot while surrendering because of the casualties they inflicted.

When exactly *is* the magic age where a kid is considered a warrior? For the majority of human history, if you could pick a weapon, you're an enemy soldier and if you get killed, well (hard to say without sounding callous), too bad, that's the way war works.

Sad? Yes. Strange? Not really.

"They can hold against the clone troopers if the troopers have limited numbers,"

So you're admiting even the younglings given a weapon are capible of fighting back and killing clones?

"but they have no chance against Anakin. It´s not a fair fight by anyone´s standards."

Well, pardon my French, but duh. Since when was war about fair?

"Ooh! Please don't bomb us! We can't shoot back and kill you!"

"That's the idea!"

 

Is it bad Anakin is killing these kids? Yes, jedi are noble and good. Is it bad because the little fellows are defenseless? Hell no!

 

i never claimed that the younglings were defenseless... merely children, and that the 501st killed children in their home.

"Once the battle begins, it's kill or be killed" -- except that the Jedi (adults and children) in the temple didn't initiate the battle or choose the temple as their battlefield. They were merely living in their home, doing day to day activities, when Anakin and his troops stormed in.

 

"Is it bad Anakin is killing these kids? Yes, jedi are noble and good. Is it bad because the little fellows are defenseless? Hell no!"



Couldn't have said it better.

 

The Jedi started the battle when one of the heads of there organization attempted to assassinate the head of state because of his religion and planned to take over the Republic.

 

Indeed, Anakin and the 501st did in fact have legal authority to "arrest" the jedi...

 

well... if the government says it's OK to massacre people in their home, it must be OK!

 

I said they had a legal right, and they entirely did, the Jedi attempted an illegal coup. What they did was evil no doubt, but to the Clones it was a legitimate order.

 

The Jedi were planning a coup in which they would kill the Chancellor and take control of the Republic away from the senate. Also let it be known that the Jedi Jocasta Nu was the first one to draw her weapon in an attempt to resist a mandate set forth by the Supreme Chancellor for the knowledge in there archives to be given to the senate.

 

I noticed that the bridge crew on the Venator at the end of the Revenge of the Sith were not Jango clones (obviously to mirror the OT). I was wondering, was this true during the beginning Coruscant battle? If so, how much of the crew (percentage) consisted of conscripts/volunteers?

 

Quite possibly, since Needa has a cameo or two early in the novelization.

 

Forgot about that...

 

There have also been non-clone naval crew on Republic ships in the EU before ROTS; notably, Captain Dodonna.

edit: and Autem was on the bridge of a Venator at Saleucami in Republic also