Senate The European Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by DanielUK, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    As we're close to the French Presidential Elections, which will probably be the most important elections this year in Europe - I thought we'd have a place to have a good ol' chat about it.

    Announced candidates for election:

    Parti Socialiste - Hamon (Left winger)
    Les Republicains - Fillon (Thatcherite) (currently involved in corruption scandal)
    Front National - Le Pen (Far Right)
    Independent - Macron (Social Liberal)
    Left Party - Melenchon (Socialist)
  2. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Another vote to stress out about. Great.

    At least French elections have the second round of voting. That's reliably kept out the FN. handy.

    Also, I guess I've been behind in French political parties. Is UMP no longer a thing? Did they end with Sarkozy?


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  3. dp4m Chosen One

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    Just remember, Le Pen is the same as everyone else. Voting for the status quo, or voting for the virulent racist, xenophobic, nationalist will incur the same outcome!
  4. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    She's a lot more marketable though. She's done a lot to sound and seem a lot less wild than other far right candidates, and her father.


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  5. LAJ_FETT Tech Admin and Collecting/Lucasfilm Ltd Mod

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    I believe only the two top parties go through to the next round after this one.
  6. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    UMP are Les Republicians; Sarkozy we named them a few years back.

    The second round of voting typically leads to coalitions and tactical votes - so, yes, very likely Le Pen will be kept out. Macron is currently favourite to beat her, quite easily, in the second round; like Clinton, though, is facing a lot of Russian propaganda.

    FN recieves financial aid from Moscow, which Le Pen does not deny.
  7. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    What luck. Sarkozy renames UMP to Les Republicains just in time for another Republican party to go off the rails.
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  8. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    That is correct.
  9. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Guess you can't call yourself a popular movement when you're losing votes :p


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  10. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    Ironically, I believe he changed the name to rid the Right of the "corruption" tag.
  11. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    I guess I should state my winning preference order:

    1) Hamon
    2) Melenchron
    36) Macron
    200a/b) Le Pen/Fillon
  12. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    Not a fan of Macron's empty phrases and meaningless rhetoric? ;)
  13. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    He should count himself lucky he is in the 10s and not 100s.
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  14. anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms

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    Anybody but LePen. I'm leaning Melenchon but I need to do more research.
  15. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    Can someone tell me who the Pragmatic candidate is?

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  16. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    I think if you studied Fillon you'd see he's just as bad as Le Pen.

    Being classist and hating on the poor is equally as bad as being racist imo.
  17. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    I'd thought you would favour Melenchon, to be fair. More traditional hard left. favours abolishing elements of the state (the French Presidency for example) anti-nuclear and very radical on the environment.
  18. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    Macron. A very Blair like figure.
  19. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    My issue with groups like Parti de Gauche and people like Melenchon is that while I traditionally would be more likely to fall under them ideologically, they and their members always end up acting stupidly with weird **** like supporting Russia, a lot more focus on "fash bashing" and a lot less focus on actually helping the poor. Maybe these guys will be different, but right now I'm skeptical.
  20. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    Left Party is currently of the "NATO is bad, Russia is good" mentality.
  21. Rew Jedi Master

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    So, first let me admit upfront that I don't know a thing about French politics. As such, can someone clear up some confusion for me: What exactly is the difference between the Party Socialiste (labelled by DanielUK as "Left Wing") and the Left Party (labelled by Daniel as "Socialist")?
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  22. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    The Socialist Party is a social democratic party, while the Left party is a hard socialist party.
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  23. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    The brackets are in reference to the candidates and how they describe themselves.
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  24. dp4m Chosen One

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    When simply removing "Holocaust denial" whilst remaining staunchly anti-Semitic is considered "less wild" I think there are some issues... :p
  25. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    She has basically replaced anti-antisemitism with Islamophobia. Le Pen is no different to her father.
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