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Discussion in 'Community' started by DANNASUK, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    As we're close to the French Presidential Elections, which will probably be the most important elections this year in Europe - I thought we'd have a place to have a good ol' chat about it.

    Announced candidates for election:

    Parti Socialiste - Hamon (Left winger)
    Les Republicains - Fillon (Thatcherite) (currently involved in corruption scandal)
    Front National - Le Pen (Far Right)
    Independent - Macron (Social Liberal)
    Left Party - Melenchon (Socialist)
     
  2. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Another vote to stress out about. Great.

    At least French elections have the second round of voting. That's reliably kept out the FN. handy.

    Also, I guess I've been behind in French political parties. Is UMP no longer a thing? Did they end with Sarkozy?


    Missa ab iPhona mea est.
     
  3. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    Just remember, Le Pen is the same as everyone else. Voting for the status quo, or voting for the virulent racist, xenophobic, nationalist will incur the same outcome!
     
  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    She's a lot more marketable though. She's done a lot to sound and seem a lot less wild than other far right candidates, and her father.


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  5. LAJ_FETT

    LAJ_FETT Tech Admin and Collecting/Lucasfilm Ltd Mod star 9 Staff Member Administrator

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    I believe only the two top parties go through to the next round after this one.
     
  6. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    UMP are Les Republicians; Sarkozy we named them a few years back.

    The second round of voting typically leads to coalitions and tactical votes - so, yes, very likely Le Pen will be kept out. Macron is currently favourite to beat her, quite easily, in the second round; like Clinton, though, is facing a lot of Russian propaganda.

    FN recieves financial aid from Moscow, which Le Pen does not deny.
     
  7. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    What luck. Sarkozy renames UMP to Les Republicains just in time for another Republican party to go off the rails.
     
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  8. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    That is correct.
     
  9. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Guess you can't call yourself a popular movement when you're losing votes :p


    Missa ab iPhona mea est.
     
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  10. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Ironically, I believe he changed the name to rid the Right of the "corruption" tag.
     
  11. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    I guess I should state my winning preference order:

    1) Hamon
    2) Melenchron
    36) Macron
    200a/b) Le Pen/Fillon
     
  12. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Not a fan of Macron's empty phrases and meaningless rhetoric? ;)
     
  13. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    He should count himself lucky he is in the 10s and not 100s.
     
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  14. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Anybody but LePen. I'm leaning Melenchon but I need to do more research.
     
  15. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Can someone tell me who the Pragmatic candidate is?

    Americentrism SuperWatto
     
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  16. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    I think if you studied Fillon you'd see he's just as bad as Le Pen.

    Being classist and hating on the poor is equally as bad as being racist imo.
     
  17. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    I'd thought you would favour Melenchon, to be fair. More traditional hard left. favours abolishing elements of the state (the French Presidency for example) anti-nuclear and very radical on the environment.
     
  18. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Macron. A very Blair like figure.
     
  19. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    My issue with groups like Parti de Gauche and people like Melenchon is that while I traditionally would be more likely to fall under them ideologically, they and their members always end up acting stupidly with weird **** like supporting Russia, a lot more focus on "fash bashing" and a lot less focus on actually helping the poor. Maybe these guys will be different, but right now I'm skeptical.
     
  20. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Left Party is currently of the "NATO is bad, Russia is good" mentality.
     
  21. Rew

    Rew Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So, first let me admit upfront that I don't know a thing about French politics. As such, can someone clear up some confusion for me: What exactly is the difference between the Party Socialiste (labelled by DanielUK as "Left Wing") and the Left Party (labelled by Daniel as "Socialist")?
     
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  22. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    The Socialist Party is a social democratic party, while the Left party is a hard socialist party.
     
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  23. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    The brackets are in reference to the candidates and how they describe themselves.
     
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  24. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    When simply removing "Holocaust denial" whilst remaining staunchly anti-Semitic is considered "less wild" I think there are some issues... :p
     
  25. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    She has basically replaced anti-antisemitism with Islamophobia. Le Pen is no different to her father.