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Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by A Chorus of Disapproval , Dec 15, 2015.

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  1. Ruffmeian

    Ruffmeian Jedi Master star 3

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    I always said that, too. I would've been okay with a bigger backstory on Snoke and maybe him actually being Plagueis or something similar. But I think this provides a much more intense concentrated focus on a character that has so many sides as it is.

    I think the difference here for Ben not actually being a sith is that he was on the path to being a Jedi and had at least intentions in claiming his loyalty to the role and for whatever reason, was let down much in the way Anakin was. In the PT, I'll never understand WHY the council was ever like "hey! Go spy on this guy even though we all know you're temperamental and tad bit unstable" so he could be manipulated. I always felt like they put him in the position to fail, and that their undoing was a lot of their own fault.
     
  2. NHB0M

    NHB0M Jedi Master star 4

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    It's how we decide which movie we might see and which we don't. It's how we can say "Thank God, Joss Whedon wasn't behind Wonder Woman".
    Some movies looks stupid, some looks like a mess and some looks good. One can read the leaks, the subtitles, think its not their cup of tea, express why and pass.
     
  3. Blastaar

    Blastaar Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Dude. there is no reason what so ever to get personal about this. People read spoilers and reviews and decide they don't wanna spend their money, why does that aggravate you? Its cool. You still get to watch it if you want. I doesn't take away from your enjoyment.
     
  4. MrElculver2424

    MrElculver2424 Jedi Master star 4

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    It's immature and childish and here's why.

    You can choose to forfeit your tickets and refuse to see the movie. But that either means you are going to continue to complain and cry about a plot you didn't like hearing without ever seeing the movie itself, or you're going to say "Ok, whatever, I don't even care about this at all anymore" which means you're not really a fan any longer.

    So that's fine. If you don't wanna be a fan, if you don't wanna ever see the movie, if you're content with that...good, then get on with life. But if you're going to complain and attack and criticize, then we all know you're gonna eventually force yourself to watch it one day.

    Not talking to anyone specifically; just generalizing.
     
  5. Jamtia

    Jamtia Jedi Knight star 3

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    Who knows this maybe my favorite movie of them all as hard as it is to say. It's just too soon to jump to conclusions.
     
  6. Ruffmeian

    Ruffmeian Jedi Master star 3

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    I kinda just ignore the people that are saying the film is **** and everything is ruined.

    It's really just not worth my time as a genuine fan.
     
  7. Blastaar

    Blastaar Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Everything you just said. So what? Whats the problem with that? If someone does that, how does it negatively affect you?
     
  8. MrElculver2424

    MrElculver2424 Jedi Master star 4

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    I didn't say anything affected me. I just said it's immature and childish to keep attacking a plot you only heard about through hearsay and won't ever watch the movie. So either watch the movie, move on with life, or choose to be an immature child.
     
  9. Darth_Voider

    Darth_Voider Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If you look at the reviews of those who actually have seen TLJ, the film gets universal praise. I would actually agree with your point if that wasn't the case.

    Maybe, just maybe there's a possibility that you will enjoy the actual film too, like those critics?

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  10. Blastaar

    Blastaar Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    mkay.
     
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  11. mufclee90

    mufclee90 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I see a lot of hate for the Rey random reveal, and it was the worst possible outcome for myself as well.

    But thinking about it doesn’t this just add to the weight that she is a reincarnated/force manifestation of Anakin? I mean... if this theory were to happen, her parents would always end up being randomers. It would be pretty weird if she was and one of Luke, Leia, obi wan or palpatine were her parents.


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  12. NHB0M

    NHB0M Jedi Master star 4

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    Maybe, i'm not ruling it out. There's also the possibility I won't see what the critics are seeing and it wouldn't be a first. But I simply don't feel like rushing in to see it. I might see it one day but it's not something I wanna do now.

    It took 10 years for me to watch ROTS even though I've been told it was the best movie out of the prequels. Not that I really the PT. I just didn't feel like watching it. No regrets and no one got hurt in-between those 10 years.
     
  13. Darkspellmaster

    Darkspellmaster Jedi Master star 4

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    No Blastaar is just teasing me on this, because I said I suffered through losing Chewie back in the Star By Star novel of the New Jedi order when they killed him on a planet and let the others escape.

    Yeah, no. That would be insane. Lando being brought back in Episode 9 I can see, but I don't think they'll kill him off just like that...would there be a reason to? Oh god please no. Well sad backstory, sure in some ways because Snoke's been manipulating the kid ala Exar Kun did with Kyp and Darth, whatever her name was, did with Jacen, so there's sadness there in that idea, but I don't see Lando adding to that. Unless they decide that Leia decided to date Lando while she and Han were on the outs.
     
  14. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    Most critics loved Thor: Ragnarok. But I was far more ambivalent on it, and a lot of the things that they seemed to like were actually problems for me.

    So critical reaction only goes so far. Heck TFA got great reviews, but that doesn't stop some people from ripping into it. Tastes are subjective, and sometimes an idea just sounds terrible even conceptually.
     
  15. SomethinSomethinDarkSide

    SomethinSomethinDarkSide Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Prometheus and Alien Covenant come to mind as movies that got fresh ratings but were heavily criticized by fans and viewers in general.

    And I agree on Thor Ragnarok. They went way too comedic with it, even for a Marvel movie. It felt like nothing mattered whatsoever.
     
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  16. RedDevil

    RedDevil Jedi Knight

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    Yeah I’m afraid so. For me the Leia scene was the worst of the movie. Just looked and felt totally wrong. I could kind of see what they were trying to do but it just didn’t work
     
  17. Charlie07

    Charlie07 Jedi Master star 4

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    5-ish hours till i see TLJ [face_nail_biting][face_party]
     
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  18. dan1210

    dan1210 Jedi Knight star 3

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    RedDevil so neither the knights of ren or kylo turn up on achto? and rey goes to save kylo?
     
  19. RedDevil

    RedDevil Jedi Knight

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    Correct. Rey lies down in the escape pod/capsule of the MF and blasts off and floats into the big ship Kylo is on. As she lands inside the ship she looks up through the glass top of the escape pod and Kylo is standing over her waiting for her
     
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  20. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    You know, I was disappointed that Lando wasn't going to be in this film (Billy Dee is almost 80 and he's willing to come back). But now, part of me is glad that he isn't here. Because with how things are going, we'd probably find out that he was some broke, miserable, drunk loser who has nothing left, and then he'd die.
     
  21. dan1210

    dan1210 Jedi Knight star 3

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    I saw tfa 6 times in the theatre and took a few people with me too, so all in I would say they got 20 ticket sales from me alone. I wonder how many fans will watch this twice, the only way for them to see our disappointment is at the box office which i fear wont happen.

    One thing that also occured to me, the cruiser that is running low on fuel, I actually thought ships were self sufficient in that regard in that they generated their own power...
     
  22. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    Absolutely tastes are subjective of course and if you’ve drawn lines in the sand that you know have been crossed, or convinced yourself that all of the people involved have some nasty agenda, you’ll bring that with you into the cave... er... I mean theater.

    It is important to note the grade difference between Thor Ragnarok and The Last Jedi though. While both movies had about 92-93 out of 100 people thinking they were good enough to recommend people see... the average score for The Last Jedi is a full grade above.

    http://www.metacritic.com/movie/thor-ragnarok
    http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii---the-last-jedi

    Also, I think TFA clearly benefited from the bar having been set lower via the prequels and the decline of Star Wars passion in the general public following them. New franchises had risen up with incredible special FX and epic worlds and powers and generations of kids weren’t as impressed by the Star Wars brand. TFA was critics saying “Uhhh... you all might want to come back because these new people get what made you love the Star Wars movies in the first place.” It’s also been an era of soft reboots of tons of content so critics are going to come in with less emotion over why and instead focus on whether it works or not in 2017. The Last Jedi didn’t have a lowered bar. If anything some critics had reason to bring out their knives more because less CG, more puppets, and some better acting wasn’t going to be enough. The Last Jedi though is getting better reviews than just about any adventure film since Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight movie or LOTR’s ROTK. It’s getting better reviews than TFA. That’s significant.
     
  23. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    ^Not for me, I don't care what they say really.
     
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  24. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    True. Life is short and there are so few treats that really connect us. So, I’m not going to let a small but vocal contingent ruin my fun or enjoyment in something just because they didn’t and want others to experience their pain and suffering and hate. It’s like being around negative people at work who always complain.
     
  25. Mostly Handless

    Mostly Handless Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Persumably Chewie flys the Falcon to Crait?
     
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