Amph The Favorite SFF Book Tournament Nominations Thread- help checking for duplicates, please!

Discussion in 'Archive: SF&F: Books and Comics' started by Rogue...Jedi, Apr 25, 2009.

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    Time of the Twins
    War of the Twins
    Test of the Twins

    All written by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman.

    The next one I am not sure if it qualifies, but I am going to give it a try as I believe it to be a book that now days fits into the fantasy genre as well as it does epic poem category.

    The Odyssey by Homer

    If that doesn't qualify for this tournament, just say so. :)
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    As a classicist, I love the Odyssey... but I can't include it as part of the fantasy genre, sorry.

    I still have a bunch more nominations to make, but they'll probably come next week.
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    I think what you mean, Rogue...Jedi, is that you can't include The Odyssey as part of the modern fantasy genre. With its portrayal of gods manipulating humans' lives, the gift of prophetic visions, a Cyclops and sirens, among other magical elements, the story of Odysseus' return home from Troy is decidedly fantasy.

    In fact, it's arguable that the modern fantasy genre would not exist without Homer.
  10. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    To us today, something such as that would be fantasy, yes. To the ancient Greeks, it was decidedly not.
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    I nominated it as two because that is the only way I have ever seen it being sold.
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    I don't know where you're getting this idea, but it's not correct. We don't need to argue about it here, since this isn't the thread topic, but as a brief aside we can see from the works of various Greek philosophers that in Hellenistic times, the gods were not held to be real by anyone but the most ignorant. Cyclopses and sirens were regarded as mythical even then, not held as actual beings. Still today, a small minority of people believe in magic power and undiscovered creatures, but that does not mean that modern fantasy literature is invalidated as fantasy. Anyway, it's your thread, so set your own criteria for what merits a nomination.

    Are we beginning with the publication of, say, LOTR in the 1950s? Or Idylls of the King in the late 19th century? What precisely is the cut-off point?
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    Outlander by Diana Gabaldon - it's got time travel, battles, and kilts. Everything a girl could want... :p
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    I'm not going to set a precise cutoff date, but I'll consider any borderline ones on a case by case basis.

    EDIT: to clarify, this is in response to M_A's question 2 posts above.
  19. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    Okay, let's try these:

    Idylls of the King by Alfred Lord Tennyson (mid-to-late 19th century)
    Le Morte D'Arthur by Sir Thomas Malory (late 15th century)
    History of the Kings of Britain by Geoffrey of Monmouth (mid 12th century)
    The Mabinogion, first translated by Lady Charlotte Guest (in the 19th century), from traditional British tales (written down in the 14th century, but including material as old as the 11th century)

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    M_A: Sorry for the delay. I've been really busy for the past week or so and haven't been on much. Anyways, after discussing this with Nat, I'm going to say that in general, only works from the last 200 years will be accepted, due to significant differences in the context of earlier works. Even with this, it should probably be even more recent for fantasy as opposed to science fiction, due to differing changes in the respective genres. However, I retain the right to modify this in select cases as deemed appropriate.

    Of those you posted, Idylls of the King is the most likely, though I'm going to look at it some more before making a final yes/no decision on it. In many ways it looks to be more connected with mythology than fantasy (and as someone who has taught mythology - including Le Morte D'Arthur - and frequently reads fantasy, I'm definitely aware that there is a line there), but it also bears some more modern characteristics. If you'd like to discuss that work in particular with me via PM, I'll be glad to.
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