Amph The Favorite SFF Book Tournament Nominations Thread- help checking for duplicates, please!

Discussion in 'Archive: SF&F: Books and Comics' started by Rogue...Jedi, Apr 25, 2009.

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  1. MasterGandalf Jedi Youngling

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    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Children_of_Hurin]The Children of Hurin[/link] by JRR Tolkien
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_of_the_Twins] Test of the Twins[/link] by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_that_Preserves]The Power that Preserves[/link] by Stephen R. Donaldson
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistborn:_The_Hero_of_Ages]Mistborn: The Hero of Ages[/link] by Brandon Sanderson
  2. Mikaboshi EUC's Best Patron

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    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magician_(novel)#Publication_history]Magician: Apprentice[/link]/ Raymond E. Feist
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magician_(novel)#Publication_history]Magician: Master[/link]/ Raymond E. Feist
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverthorn]Silverthorn[/link]/ Raymond E. Feist
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Darkness_at_Sethanon]A Darkness at Sethanon[/link]/ Raymond E. Feist
  3. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    [link=http://www.amazon.com/Warriors-Apprentice-Lois-McMaster-Bujold/dp/1886778272/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240917911&sr=1-1]The Warrior's Apprentice[/link] by Lois McMaster Bujold.
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jhereg_(novel)]Jhereg[/link] by Steven Brust.
  4. Mikaboshi EUC's Best Patron

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    My favorite Salvatore books....

    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Elf_Trilogy]Homeland/ R.A Salvatore
    Exile/ R.A. Salvatore
    Sojourn/ R.A. Salvatore[/link]
  5. DRHJ9 Jedi Master

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    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadhouse_Gates]Deadhouse Gates[/link]- Steven Erikson

    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_the_hounds]Toll The Hounds[/link]- Steven Erikson

    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memories_of_Ice]Memories of Ice[/link]- Steven Erikson

    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Briar_King]The Briar King[/link]- Greg Keyes
  6. path-seeker Jedi Padawan

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    I'll nominate [link=http://www.amazon.com/Princess-Bride-Morgensterns-Classic-Adventure/dp/0345348036]The Princess Bride[/link] by William Goldman.

    Edit: and [link=http://www.amazon.com/Wicked-Times-Witch-Harper-Fiction/dp/0061350966/ref=pd_ts_b_13?ie=UTF8&s=books]Wicked[/link] by Gregory Maguire
  7. Mikaboshi EUC's Best Patron

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    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_the_Twins]Time of the Twins[/link]
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Twins]War of the Twins[/link]
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_of_the_Twins]Test of the Twins[/link]

    All written by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman.

    The next one I am not sure if it qualifies, but I am going to give it a try as I believe it to be a book that now days fits into the fantasy genre as well as it does epic poem category.

    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey]The Odyssey[/link] by Homer

    If that doesn't qualify for this tournament, just say so. :)
  8. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    As a classicist, I love the Odyssey... but I can't include it as part of the fantasy genre, sorry.

    I still have a bunch more nominations to make, but they'll probably come next week.
  9. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master

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    I think what you mean, Rogue...Jedi, is that you can't include The Odyssey as part of the modern fantasy genre. With its portrayal of gods manipulating humans' lives, the gift of prophetic visions, a Cyclops and sirens, among other magical elements, the story of Odysseus' return home from Troy is decidedly fantasy.

    In fact, it's arguable that the modern fantasy genre would not exist without Homer.
  10. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    To us today, something such as that would be fantasy, yes. To the ancient Greeks, it was decidedly not.
  11. MarcusP2 Games and Community Reaper

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    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_(novel)]Foundation [/link] by Isaac Asimov
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Name_of_the_Wind]The Name of the Wind [/link] by Patrick Rothfuss
    Something I can't believe has been nominated yet:
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_thrones]A Game of Thrones[/link] and [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Storm_of_Swords]A Storm of Swords[/link], both by George R R Martin
  12. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    My Literature of Fantasy and the Supernatural class considers [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Gawain_and_the_Green_Knight]Sir Gawain and the Green Knight[/link] as Fantasy, so I hope that sticks. The author is unknown, however.

    Also:
    [link=http://www.watt-evans.com/thewizardlord.html]The Wizard Lord[/link], by Lawrence Watt-Evans
    [link=http://www.amazon.com/Seeker-Alex-Benedict-Jack-McDevitt/dp/0441013295]Seeker[/link], by Jack McDevitt
    [link=http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Working-for-the-Devil/Lilith-Saintcrow/e/9780316003131]Working for the Devil[/link], by Lilith Saintcrow
  13. MarcusP2 Games and Community Reaper

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    Magician is one book, and was published that way originally. It just got split up for money-making purposes in the US, rather like Storm of Swords was in the UK/Australia.
  14. Mikaboshi EUC's Best Patron

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    I nominated it as two because that is the only way I have ever seen it being sold.
  15. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master

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    Hey! I nominated Storm of Swords in my first post, back on page 1. Martin is the modern master!
  16. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master

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    I don't know where you're getting this idea, but it's not correct. We don't need to argue about it here, since this isn't the thread topic, but as a brief aside we can see from the works of various Greek philosophers that in Hellenistic times, the gods were not held to be real by anyone but the most ignorant. Cyclopses and sirens were regarded as mythical even then, not held as actual beings. Still today, a small minority of people believe in magic power and undiscovered creatures, but that does not mean that modern fantasy literature is invalidated as fantasy. Anyway, it's your thread, so set your own criteria for what merits a nomination.

    Are we beginning with the publication of, say, LOTR in the 1950s? Or Idylls of the King in the late 19th century? What precisely is the cut-off point?
  17. Lady Belligerent Grand Inquisitor of the EUC

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    [link=http://www.amazon.com/Outlander-Diana-Gabaldon/dp/0440212561/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241192298&sr=1-1]Outlander[/link] by Diana Gabaldon - it's got time travel, battles, and kilts. Everything a girl could want... :p
  18. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    I'm not going to set a precise cutoff date, but I'll consider any borderline ones on a case by case basis.

    EDIT: to clarify, this is in response to M_A's question 2 posts above.
  19. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master

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    Okay, let's try these:

    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idylls_of_the_King]Idylls of the King[/link] by Alfred Lord Tennyson (mid-to-late 19th century)
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Morte_d%27Arthur]Le Morte D'Arthur[/link] by Sir Thomas Malory (late 15th century)
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_Regum_Britanniae]History of the Kings of Britain[/link] by Geoffrey of Monmouth (mid 12th century)
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabinogion]The Mabinogion[/link], first translated by Lady Charlotte Guest (in the 19th century), from traditional British tales (written down in the 14th century, but including material as old as the 11th century)

  20. Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus

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    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's_Game]Ender's Game[/link] - Orson Scott Card
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Sun]The Naked Sun[/link] - Isaac Asimov
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Santaroga_Barrier]The Santaroga Barrier [/link] - Frank Herbert
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood%27s_End]Childhood's End[/link] - Arthur C. Clarke
  21. NYCitygurl Manager Emeritus

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    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moira_J._Moore]The Hero strikes Back[/link] by Moira J. Moore
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moore_(American_author)]The Unhandsome Prince[/link] by John Moore
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_House]The Thirteenth House[/link] by Sharon Shinn
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Moon_Defender]Dark Moon Defender[/link] by Sharon Shinn
  22. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    M_A: Sorry for the delay. I've been really busy for the past week or so and haven't been on much. Anyways, after discussing this with Nat, I'm going to say that in general, only works from the last 200 years will be accepted, due to significant differences in the context of earlier works. Even with this, it should probably be even more recent for fantasy as opposed to science fiction, due to differing changes in the respective genres. However, I retain the right to modify this in select cases as deemed appropriate.

    Of those you posted, Idylls of the King is the most likely, though I'm going to look at it some more before making a final yes/no decision on it. In many ways it looks to be more connected with mythology than fantasy (and as someone who has taught mythology - including Le Morte D'Arthur - and frequently reads fantasy, I'm definitely aware that there is a line there), but it also bears some more modern characteristics. If you'd like to discuss that work in particular with me via PM, I'll be glad to.
  23. NYCitygurl Manager Emeritus

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    Only one Jordan book has been nominated (adn by me!). RJ, I'm ashamed of you.

    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Rising]The Shadow Rising[/link] by Robert Jordan
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Chaos]The Lord of Chaos[/link] by Robert Jordan
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter%27s_Heart]Winter's Heart[/link] by Robert Jordan
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossroads_of_Twilight]Crossroads of Twilight[/link] by Robert Jordan
  24. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    I should have waited to start this until I really had time to put in my own nominations :p That being said...

    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_and_earth]Foundation and Earth[/link] by Isaac Asimov
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots_and_Empire]Robots and Empire[/link] by Isaac Asimov
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender%27s_Shadow]Ender's Shadow[/link] by OS Card
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender_in_Exile]Ender in Exile[/link] by OS Card

  25. Tiggermyk Jedi Youngling

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    [link=http://http://www.amazon.com/Gils-All-Fright-Diner-Martinez/dp/0765350017/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242344402&sr=1-1]Gil's All Fright Diner[/link] by A. Lee Martinez
    [link=http://http://www.amazon.com/Talion-Revenant-Michael-Stackpole/dp/0553576569]Talion: Revenant[/link] by Michael A. Stackpole
    [link=http://http://www.amazon.com/Heroics-Beginners-John-Moore/dp/0441011934/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242344230&sr=1-1]Heroics for Beginners[/link] by John Moore
    [link=http://http://www.amazon.com/Servant-Shard-Paths-Darkness-Salvatore/dp/0786918780/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242344470&sr=1-2]Servant of the Shard[/link] by R.A. Salvatore

    Tried to go with books that hadn't already been mentioned. :)

    (RJ, as a newbie I can't respond to the PM until I've made 20 posts, apparently. Gak!)
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